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Remove Sonar X3c Update?
Hello,
Might any know if there is a way to uninstall this update, other than a system roll back or complete re-install of the daw., i am having a ton of issues with the new patch..
thnx
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 21:36:53
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Mbogue
Hello,
Might any know if there is a way to uninstall this update, other than a system roll back or complete re-install of the daw., i am having a ton of issues with the new patch..
thnx
What exactly are these issues? They may stem from a common cause. For example, a lot of people reported numerous problems with VST plug-ins until they did a full plug-in scan using Plug-In Manager. Also, some issues seem tied to enabling the 64-bit audio engine. It would be interesting to see if your issues went away after disabling the 64-bit audio engine and re-scanning the plug-ins.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 21:42:45
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Yup we refuse to tell you until you tell us ! :)
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 22:02:12
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Yup we refuse to tell you until you tell us ! :)
Alex thank you for your quick reply and sharp whit :P I have reported all issues to a tech at cakewalk about a week ago and have gotten no reply... Some of the issues are: Currently each time I attempt to process a fx on a clip sonar crashes not the first time but second time i apply the same effect. I have sent a crash report about concurrently apply efx to clip... Also I now can no longer see all of my vst/dx/vst3 plugins (in my custom menu layout) when inserting an efx to clip. But can see these plugins when inserting dsp to track. Now 8 bit midi data does sync with audio and keeps erratic timing The first few midi notes sent to external source have delayed playback When inserting a second instance of Virus Ti VST3 only midi channel 1 plays with sound all others dead audio via USB audio and Analogue Outs. Automation for enable eq only functions when selected on that track Sonar frequently crashes on start up Sonar is no longer able to connect with Soundcloud/Upload (when logged in) thnx... ps love cakewalk and have been an avid user since cakewalk ver.2 when bundled with my turtle beach sound card and I know that new versions often have some glitches... :)
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 22:30:24
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Hi Marcus
So a few basic points....
So as Craig says you've RESET and then rescanned the plugins?
You have disabled the 64 bit audio engine in Sonar?
Also
You've run Windows update
You are on the latest audio drivers and firmware?
You are on the latest drivers and firmware for your outboard gear?
You have patched to the latest versions of the plugins?
You've looked at your latency config set within Sonar and your sound interface.
When was the last time you look at latency with latency monitor?
I appreciate it might have been fine before you installed the update but please let us know when you've gone through all these... :).
Sorry still not telling you how to roll back ;)
Thanks
Alex
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 22:34:14
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Only way to roll back is as you suggested yourself.
Either using Windows restore or uninstall Sonar and reinstall to x3b.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 22:38:19
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Darn cat out of bag, I strongly recommend though trying to resolve the issues without rollback....
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 22:42:59
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CakeAlexS
Hi Marcus
So a few basic points....
So as Craig says you've RESET and then rescanned the plugins?
You have disabled the 64 bit audio engine in Sonar?
Also
You've run Windows update
You are on the latest audio drivers and firmware?
You are on the latest drivers and firmware for your outboard gear?
You have patched to the latest versions of the plugins?
You've looked at your latency config set within Sonar and your sound interface.
When was the last time you look at latency with latency monitor?
I appreciate it might have been fine before you installed the update but please let us know when you've gone through all these... :).
Sorry still not telling you how to roll back ;)
Thanks
Alex
Alex, Yes all drivers, firmware. WinOS and efx/plugins are up to date and latency monitor have been viewed... Also i have disabled 64 bit audio engine (although one main reason for using Sonar x3/x2/x1 is the 64bit audio engine and the ability to run 64bit plugins without truncation...) I even rebooted with f8 in safe mode.. jk :p
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 22:43:52
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CakeAlexS
Darn cat out of bag, I strongly recommend though trying to resolve the issues without rollback....
Agreed. FYI it seems Windows has done a lot of updates lately. Not sure if that's a good thing (i.e., Sonar was interacting with broken parts of Windows) or a bad thing (Sonar hasn't been tested for compatibility with the changes in Windows). But hey, what do I know about code? [Answer: Not a whole lot.]
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 22:44:32
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mudgel
Only way to roll back is as you suggested yourself.
Either using Windows restore or uninstall Sonar and reinstall to x3b.
Ah the difference between a silver and platinum member is that a platinum member is actually helpful... thank you sir... :)
post edited by Mbogue - 2013/11/16 23:08:23
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 23:09:02
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Mbogue
Ah the difference between a silver and platinum member is that platinum member are actually helpful...
... and the difference between everyone on this thread and you is that all of us have the software working. edit: sorry, too snippy? it's late.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 23:12:03
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 - See you again when X3D comes out... :) The perspective release....
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 23:13:29
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Yeah... I thought about being helpful... but I'm just silver, so why bother. 
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 23:14:16
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Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed. @48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38. Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 23:23:11
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Yeah... I thought about being helpful... but I'm just silver, so why bother.
Nice... :)
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 23:38:16
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Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed. @48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38. Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 23:45:54
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Mbogue
mudgel
Only way to roll back is as you suggested yourself.
Either using Windows restore or uninstall Sonar and reinstall to x3b.
Ah the difference between a silver and platinum member is that a platinum member is actually helpful... thank you sir... :)
That's funny. Hehe. I think the guys were genuinely trying to offer help before you did something as big as a reinstall.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/16 23:54:04
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See I'm a platinum member ;-)
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/17 00:26:05
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See I'm a platinum member ;-)
Does that mean you get to board early and check a bag for free?
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/17 02:54:42
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Yep. And I get a Windows seat.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/17 03:00:00
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☄ Helpfulby Zo 2013/11/17 10:47:24
All kidding aside...I haven't done this myself, but wouldn't the easiest option be:
1. Locate SONARPDR.EXE
2. Right-click and choose "Restore to Previous Version."
When I right-clicked on the version that showed up, selected "Properties," and clicked the Details tab, the Product Version showed Sonar X3b.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/17 03:35:40
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That's excellent! How did you work that out? Is that documented somewhere or some insider information? I know in x1, some of the hot fixes could be reversed by copying back the backed up sonar*.exe
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/17 03:56:59
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mudgel
That's excellent! How did you work that out? Is that documented somewhere or some insider information? I know in x1, some of the hot fixes could be reversed by copying back the backed up sonar*.exe
It's a Windows thing, but it appears Cakewalk is more conscientious about implementing it.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/17 06:18:23
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Craig, Watch out for that change. You will only revert the .exe you clicked on. This means that if other files were updated, you don't get the updates for those other files as well. Spelled out... If you revert SONARPDR.EXE, and the X3c update modified any VSTs, the VSTs will NOT be rolled back. only the one EXE you clicked on. It may work as a quick test to see if a re-install might solve your problem, but I don't think it is guaranteed to be as robust as a reinstall. I believe the name of the 'Windows Thing' is Shadow Copy... read more here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Copy Mbogue
Nice... :)
@Mbogue, thanks for being able to laugh with us. ;-)
post edited by gswitz - 2013/11/17 15:11:46
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/17 08:09:20
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Mbogue
CakeAlexS
Hi Marcus
So a few basic points....
So as Craig says you've RESET and then rescanned the plugins?
You have disabled the 64 bit audio engine in Sonar?
Also
You've run Windows update
You are on the latest audio drivers and firmware?
You are on the latest drivers and firmware for your outboard gear?
You have patched to the latest versions of the plugins?
You've looked at your latency config set within Sonar and your sound interface.
When was the last time you look at latency with latency monitor?
I appreciate it might have been fine before you installed the update but please let us know when you've gone through all these... :).
Sorry still not telling you how to roll back ;)
Thanks
Alex
Alex,
Yes all drivers, firmware. WinOS and efx/plugins are up to date and latency monitor have been viewed...
Also i have disabled 64 bit audio engine (although one main reason for using Sonar x3/x2/x1 is the 64bit audio engine and the ability to run 64bit plugins without truncation...)
I even rebooted with f8 in safe mode.. jk :p
The audio engine itself is still 64-bit, and that is a different thing than the double-precision floating-point processing. I also believe from comments posted in various other threads that the Cakewalk developers were suggesting only temporarily turning off the 64-bit double-precision processing for those having certain issues, while they look into whether or not they have some internal tweaking to do to it. There are also countless threads out there endlessly debating the ability to even hear the minute differences using 64-bit double-precision processing offers, so I think at best there would be only occasionally audible differences, and even there it would only be for extremely large projects, where the super tiny differences would potentially add up to something even audible to humans. So hang in there, there are lots of really good features to work with in any case, and they are looking into what is going on with that functionality. Bob Bone
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/17 10:48:46
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Anderton
All kidding aside...I haven't done this myself, but wouldn't the easiest option be:
1. Locate SONARPDR.EXE
2. Right-click and choose "Restore to Previous Version."
When I right-clicked on the version that showed up, selected "Properties," and clicked the Details tab, the Product Version showed Sonar X3b.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/17 12:09:28
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Mbogue
Ah the difference between a silver and platinum member is that platinum member are actually helpful...
... and the difference between everyone on this thread and you is that all of us have the software working.
edit: sorry, too snippy? it's late.
Au contraire! I rolled back to X3b by using system restore because I was having problems with the Console Emulator buzzing, and I'm not satisfied with the solution of turning off the 64 bit double precision engine. Since then, I'm seeing many more problems with the X3c patch being reported, so I'm of the conclusion that CW didn't get this one right. I AM happy with X3b, and it's working well on my system. I can wait for CW to fix this before updating, and I'm confident they will eventually get this right.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/17 14:53:24
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☄ Helpfulby mudgel 2013/11/17 18:39:58
Lynn
Au contraire!
Not my best moment, Lynn. Sorry to all.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Remove Sonar X3c Update?
2013/11/17 14:57:30
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I found it hilarious, no offense was taken and I was just jesting.
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