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Removing artifacts from live performance
Hi I'm doing some transfers of archival material of the Salt Lake City Temple Square organ from 30 year-old 456 tapes. It's a big job involving a good deal of baking and noise stripping. Results are good to date but I have a number of heavily reverb-ed, audience-generated clunks and bangs that mar several performances. I've been told that there may be SW available that could deal to this but have no idea where to start looking. The client may well be prepared to pay so .... any ideas welcome! Many thanks David (I'm using X2 to do this which justifies my being in this forum - I think :-)
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/22 16:04:20
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If you have X2 producer you will also have R-Mix which can remove background sounds.
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/24 13:41:11
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Thanks John - but after spending time with R-Mix (X2 Prod version) I'm not finding it of much use. I've watched vids on the full-blown version and perhaps that might have more lead in it's pencil - but for removing heavily reverb-ed artifacts from a solo recording, no go. Typically I'd cut and paste repeated segments but this is classical organ and repeated segments are scarce. Any other suggestions most welcome. Also, I'm curious: Does anyone actually use the Sonar version of R-Mix in practice? I've found it generally poor at its intended purpose - removing/isolating vocals etc etc. Perhaps I'm missing something. It also is the only plug I have that crashes randomly. Cheers David
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/24 13:55:58
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Hello, Another user had a similar request in another thread... I have an associate that is a film producer that swears by and has used Izotopes RX3 http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/rx/ with great success. If this is a big job ( paying) it sounds as if this could be your ticket. One of the specific functions that it talks about is the ability to treat reverbed audio . IHTH.
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/24 15:52:32
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This is a stretch......Could you copy/paste the offending noises to another track, flip the phase and get them to cancel each other out? Rocky
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/24 15:57:21
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LunaTech Hello, Another user had a similar request in another thread... I have an associate that is a film producer that swears by and has used Izotopes RX3 http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/rx/ with great success. If this is a big job ( paying) it sounds as if this could be your ticket. One of the specific functions that it talks about is the ability to treat reverbed audio . IHTH.
RX3 is great. I loved RX2, have been playing with RX3 lately, and got to see a great demo of it by the iZotope guys at an audio convention. You should definitely try our the trial version.
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Fearful Symmetry
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/24 16:51:51
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Hi guys Been demo-ing the RX3 trial for the last 2 hours and if this is not love then I don't know what is. I simply can't believe what I'm doing here! Thanks for the the tip! David
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/24 17:27:08
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LunaTech Hello, Another user had a similar request in another thread... I have an associate that is a film producer that swears by and has used Izotopes RX3 http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/rx/ with great success. If this is a big job ( paying) it sounds as if this could be your ticket. One of the specific functions that it talks about is the ability to treat reverbed audio . IHTH.
+1 for Izotope RX ... which you appear to have embraced already. Let us know how the end-product works out :-)
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/24 17:36:12
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The only question is whether I can justify the full-blown version. If there was a button called "Prolonged Coughing Fits" I'd take no persuading :-) Cheers David
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/24 17:44:09
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I hear you. I enjoyed the trial version so much but couldn't justify the cost of it just yet, even though I want it for "those occasions". I feel that the advanced version would be worth it if (a) you need those advanced tools (well, duh) (b) you have time to really learn those advanced tools and use them effectively (c) you can justify the cost in terms of paying clients or true personal satisfaction as a hobby. I couldn't yet see myself qualifying on that criteria, but for pure gear lust I know I want it and need it, hehe ;-)
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/24 22:32:52
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VariousArtist I hear you. I enjoyed the trial version so much but couldn't justify the cost of it just yet, even though I want it for "those occasions". I feel that the advanced version would be worth it if (a) you need those advanced tools (well, duh) (b) you have time to really learn those advanced tools and use them effectively (c) you can justify the cost in terms of paying clients or true personal satisfaction as a hobby. I couldn't yet see myself qualifying on that criteria, but for pure gear lust I know I want it and need it, hehe ;-)
I bought RX3 basic. That is pretty expensive, and the ADVANCED version is huge bucks beyond that. I find myself doing a lot of clean-up of live recordings. RX3 is really magic. It cannot do everything I wish I could do. For example, I have had little success eliminating talking from a musical track. One of their videos shows the elimination of a whistle sound during concert recording. It turns out that is a very bast case scenario because: a) There were no overtones to deal with b) the whistle was above the frequency of the main material. Knocking that out was easy and didn't leave an apparent void. But talking tends to have overtones and falls right into the middle of the musical content. Nonetheless, this tool is invaluable. I routinely do a pass to cut BG noise on every recorded track. Even if the noise is barely audible, it is worthwhile to do this because the noise is cumulative as you mix. I have noticed some self-noise patterns on certain mics that I never really heard. The pattern becomes really obvious under RX3, and it completely wipes that out if you can give it a couple of seconds of quiet program for the "learn" mode. And conversely, I have seen that my RODE stereo mics are even cleaner than I thought they were -- almost no self-noise showing on those tracks. I had another project where somebody had recorded straight to computer over firewire. The quality was OK, but it had lots of pops. RX3 fixed all of that. I may have to spring for the full version, as it has some powerful additional capabilities, particularly the ability to discriminate between tonal and non-tonal material. If they would just have even a modest sale for that upgrade, that would probably push me over the edge.
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/24 23:11:30
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Thanks Peter and Cpamerlee I've spent all day on the demo and I'm sold - even downloaded the manual (it's huge). Getting quite nifty with the drawing tool too :-) I cant believe this thing has evaded me for so long. Cheers David
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/25 03:23:26
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Check out plugindiscounts.com if you're looking for deals.
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/25 06:42:36
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Hi. Another product to look at and try out is Sony's SpectraLayers 2. This is a spectrum program editor and would do the job. It retails for around 400 or so. http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/spectralayerspro The undisputed leader in today's audio spectrum editing movement.SpectraLayers Pro 2 is the revolutionary, award-winning software application that stands as the undisputed leader in today's audio spectrum editing movement. Extracting, layering, and processing audio in the spectral realm is now even quicker and easier in SpectraLayers Pro 2, which features a significantly faster processing engine, seamless interoperability with Sound Forge Pro 11, and a host of new tools, methodologies, and user interface improvements for even more convenience, creative options, and enhanced workflow. Spectral editing capability is now an expected, essential, and affordable tool for all audio professionals. Take it to the extreme with SpectraLayers Pro 2–available for both Mac and PC.
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Re: Removing artifacts from live performance
2013/10/25 06:51:01
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I was interested in this thread, so went browsing for RX3, and the price on that it rather steep. I have owned Audition for years (part of the Creative Suite) but not used it at all until 3 days ago. Many posts have commented that they have wave files linked to Audition by default. I did find an interesting comparison in my search (RX3 vs Audition) http://www.streamingmedia.com/Producer/articles/readarticle.aspx?ArticleID=92211 I only listened to the first video, and it seems like the guy is "trying to sell RX3." To me, I do not hear as dramatic of a difference between RX3 and Audition as he is trying to make out. Am I missing something? Michael
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