Replace Synth on a track and now no sound?

Author
joden
Max Output Level: -65 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 1263
  • Joined: 2007/09/22 17:03:46
  • Status: offline
2015/08/10 20:47:35 (permalink)

Replace Synth on a track and now no sound?

I would have thought this command is as simple as it sounds. No hoops to go through simply replace the synth and the part already recorded plays just the same except through the new synth...but apparently not!
 
Any suggestions?
 
Thanks
post edited by joden - 2015/08/10 20:55:12
#1

10 Replies Related Threads

    scook
    Forum Host
    • Total Posts : 24146
    • Joined: 2005/07/27 13:43:57
    • Location: TX
    • Status: offline
    Re: Replace Synth on a track and now no sound? 2015/08/10 20:52:18 (permalink)
    Some synths can't handle certain MIDI instructions. Some programs restrict the range of notes. More information might be helpful. Information such as the synth which plays properly, the synth which does not, the source of the MIDI data (IOW was it recorded in SONAR or a loop from a 3rd party), would be a good start.
    #2
    Kalle Rantaaho
    Max Output Level: -5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 7005
    • Joined: 2006/01/09 13:07:59
    • Location: Finland
    • Status: offline
    Re: Replace Synth on a track and now no sound? 2015/08/11 01:18:40 (permalink)
    One possibility: Some synths have their own selection for MIDI channel. If the  default channel of the replacing synth doesn't match the one of the original track/routing settings, you need to change it separately.

    SONAR PE 8.5.3, Asus P5B, 2,4 Ghz Dual Core, 4 Gb RAM, GF 7300, EMU 1820, Bluetube Pre  -  Kontakt4, Ozone, Addictive Drums, PSP Mixpack2, Melda Creative Pack, Melodyne Plugin etc.
    The benefit of being a middle aged amateur is the low number of years of frustration ahead of you.
    #3
    Bristol_Jonesey
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 16775
    • Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17
    • Location: Bristol, UK
    • Status: offline
    Re: Replace Synth on a track and now no sound? 2015/08/11 04:32:13 (permalink)
    Another possibility is that you've swapped the synth over to one which needs a patch loaded in order to play, like Dim Pro for example

    CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughout
    Custom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A,
    #4
    Cactus Music
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 8424
    • Joined: 2004/02/09 21:34:04
    • Status: offline
    Re: Replace Synth on a track and now no sound? 2015/08/11 10:30:32 (permalink)
    Perhaps you have not figured out how midi tracks need to have their output assigned to a synth. 
     
    You can insert as many synths as your system can handle into the synth rack. 
    Some, as said, need to have a sound patch assigned before they will play. 
    Then you can take any midi track and by just changing the output as it plays listen to what the different synth's sound like.  

    Johnny V  
    Cakelab  
    Focusrite 6i61st - Tascam us1641. 
    3 Desktops and 3 Laptops W7 and W10
     http://www.cactusmusic.ca/
     
     
    #5
    CJaysMusic
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 30423
    • Joined: 2006/10/28 01:51:41
    • Location: Miami - Fort Lauderdale - Davie
    • Status: offline
    Re: Replace Synth on a track and now no sound? 2015/08/11 16:55:15 (permalink)
    Perhaps its 1 or 2 or all the above. Seriously thought! You cant just change synths on an already created synth track, as each synth is different and may use only single out, different midi channels and so on.
     
    If you want to change synths, make, tell sonar to insert a new synth on a new  midi and audio track or instrument track.
     
    CJ

    www.audio-mastering-mixing.com - A Professional Worldwide Audio Mixing & Mastering Studio, Providing Online And Attended Sessions. We also do TV commercials, Radio spots & spoken word books
    Audio Blog
    #6
    joden
    Max Output Level: -65 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1263
    • Joined: 2007/09/22 17:03:46
    • Status: offline
    Re: Replace Synth on a track and now no sound? 2015/08/11 19:46:47 (permalink)
    thanks guys...in this case it was a simple inst track using UVI Ravenscroft, but I began having iLok (software version) issues and it became unavailable- so I thought too easy, I'll juts swap it out for True Pianos (my full version not the Cake one)...and nada! I even created a new TP insert and simply copied the midi data, and still nothing..so I am doing something wrong or missing something.
    #7
    Anderton
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 14070
    • Joined: 2003/11/06 14:02:03
    • Status: offline
    Re: Replace Synth on a track and now no sound? 2015/08/12 01:23:14 (permalink)
    I vaguely remember this happening to me the first time I tried True Pianos. IIRC it was some preference in the Advanced Interface page, like dynamics being set to 100 instead of 0 in the Options pop-up, or one of the Velocity parameters being misset.
     

    The first 3 books in "The Musician's Guide to Home Recording" series are available from Hal Leonard and http://www.reverb.com. Listen to my music on http://www.YouTube.com/thecraiganderton, and visit http://www.craiganderton.com. Thanks!
    #8
    Cactus Music
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 8424
    • Joined: 2004/02/09 21:34:04
    • Status: offline
    Re: Replace Synth on a track and now no sound? 2015/08/12 10:18:03 (permalink)
    Copy the data to a regular midi track. That will rule out the weirdness of using a simple instruments track. 
    Insert TTS-1 and point the track at that to test. 
    Then try True Piano's. 

    Johnny V  
    Cakelab  
    Focusrite 6i61st - Tascam us1641. 
    3 Desktops and 3 Laptops W7 and W10
     http://www.cactusmusic.ca/
     
     
    #9
    joden
    Max Output Level: -65 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1263
    • Joined: 2007/09/22 17:03:46
    • Status: offline
    Re: Replace Synth on a track and now no sound? 2015/08/12 16:51:12 (permalink)
    okly dokly I will try that thanks. I do prefer the simple inst system as it allows insert effects without having to boucne tracks first, but yeah, I will give it a go :)
     
    @Craig thx m8 - hadn't thought of that I will investigate...
    #10
    scook
    Forum Host
    • Total Posts : 24146
    • Joined: 2005/07/27 13:43:57
    • Location: TX
    • Status: offline
    Re: Replace Synth on a track and now no sound? 2015/08/12 16:53:30 (permalink)
    There is no requirement to bounce tracks to insert effects in the audio track of a MIDI+Audio pair but I doubt the problem is the track type
    #11
    Jump to:
    © 2025 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1