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Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
Hi Gang...
I'm trying to affect a direct recorded guitar to use a different pickup than was actually used.
I remember some software that had pickup substitution.... or was that a dream?
In the mantime, trying to play with EQ to make the desired difference....
I'm only trying to substitute a Strat Neck Pup for the recorded Strat Mid Pup...
Anyone have any EQ settings of such that I might try? ;-)
Thanks!
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/14 19:19:21
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Reducing the bass and low mids should make the neck sound more like the middle.
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/14 19:31:21
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I wouldn't begin to know how to fake this.
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/14 19:40:58
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I believe Peavey revolver has the built in software to choose different pick ups / different pick up combos.
Not the best software in the world but it does have deep options. Like choosing different caps, res, diodes in the circuit chain.
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/14 20:30:40
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I wouldn't begin to know how to fake this.
What exactly are you saying? Do you have a better idea?
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/14 20:38:56
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Thanks guys...
Maybe I saw it in revolver... but I had that back when it was bundled with Sonar. I guess that's about how far back it seems in my memory? 🎸
Hmmm... lower the bass?
I've recorded the actual Neck pup in the clip following the one I wish to change.
Currently I'm using the sonitus eq in the clip bin. I believe the settings are:
800 0.6 0.9
2700 0.6 -1.8
3600 12.6 -2.7
Shelf at 5004 0.5 -0.9
I may be remembering it wrong, but I think that's what I'm using and while not identical to the following clip, it's close...
How to prod some of the other guitar amp simulators to start adding this feature! 🎸
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/14 20:47:57
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Peavey revolver
that would be revalver  annyway, revalver has act input and output modules which ( for want of better wording) will simulate different guitars and pickup configurations etc ( simulated is probably not the right word) the modules themselves are relatively cheap, $2.99, and work quite well. as said there are input and output modules, the input modules are probably the ones you would want, the output modules aim your overall sound at certain styles like clean, crunch, distortion, heavy etc (strangely after checking the site the output modules seem to have been removed). there are also act combo amp clones, which are really quite good, but require the act combo module, which if i recall correctly was about $40, they are really good, i guess it is similarish to the process positive grid use for their stuff. revalver is an excellent amp sim/program, probably number 2 in the charts for me. the act stuff require a little getting your head around to get the best out of them, you also need to profile your guitar, which is quite easy. once you get it worked out they can sound really good, the act combo amps themselves are very good, then you can use an act input module in front to ' simulate' the ' response' (whatever) of certain guitars, strat, tele, les paul, prs models, etc etc, thus giving you single coils with strats for example and the chioce of bridge, neck, or both and so forth. when you get it all worked out it can sound pretty good really. it's easy, perhaps not straight forward, you do have to mess around with settings, at first you could be forgiven for thinking ' this sounds like crap', or ' this doesn't work' but when you click with it, it's a breeze.
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/14 21:04:27
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Keni
Thanks guys...
Maybe I saw it in revolver... but I had that back when it was bundled with Sonar. I guess that's about how far back it seems in my memory? 🎸
the feature i am talking about isn't that old, so i don't think it would be revalver you are thinking of. i believe the act stuff came out during revalver 4's time, not really ' that' long ago [edit] yes it seems the act output modules are gone ( i have them all so no matter), and the input modules are now called 'act instrument modules', the 'act amps' are still called 'act combo amp clones'
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/14 23:50:12
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Maybe you mean Redshift Pickup Replacer by AcmeBarGig? However, the authors website seems to be closed.
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/15 07:51:50
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Keni
I meant that pickups do odd magic that is beyond EQ. Too me, your question is similar to, 'how can I mix a cheap dynamic Mic to sound like a ribbon or condenser?' There are differences that are beyond EQ. Differences that have to do with how transients are captured.
I know that th3 has like a single coil setting and a humbucker setting, but this is for after the pickup not to fake one or the other. The only thing I'm thinking now is that you could put the same sine through th3 on both settings and study the result.
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/15 09:26:11
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2017/01/16 11:31:51
I've done humbucker to single-coil conversion, here's an article I wrote for Guitar Player magazine. Basically I strummed all six open strings as consistently as possible with each pickup, and recorded the results on separate tracks. I looked at each with a spectrum analyzer to find out what was going on, then adjusted EQ until A-Bing the two channels produced the same sound. There is a bit more to it than what you can do with EQ, but EQ alone will get you 90% of the way there.
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/15 09:28:25
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That is better than Pareto
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/15 10:32:27
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Peavey revolver
that would be revalver
if i recall correctly was about $40, they are really good, i guess it is similarish to the process positive grid use for their stuff. revalver is an excellent amp sim/program, probably number 2 in the charts for me.
I respectfully disagree. There is a reason this software is practically given away free as a toy with the purchase of every Happy Meal. It lacks the realistic quality's of better amp Sims. I will say this, it has all the features a good amp sim should have with its deep editing capability's and had the potential to be a great software. However there is no way I would even mention revolver...eh hmm, I mean Revalver in the same sentence as positive grid Bias. If you haven't tried Bias yet. try it out and you'll see what I mean. But I will say this. To each their own. my opinion is no better than yours. so if you think its a great amp sim than maybe you have learned to carve some great sounds out of it. I on the other hand... have not.
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/15 10:35:37
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I see many of us have run into this...
I know that EQ alone won't do a perfect job, but I only need something reasonable.
In the past I did as Craig mentions using a spectrum analyzer and got some results. I'm ok with the EQ changes I'm using right now but with how much direct guitar recordings I'm doing these days, I'm thinking I would like a better tool...
Has anyone tried the Autotune For Guitar?
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/15 10:50:45
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I've done humbucker to single-coil conversion, here's an article I wrote for Guitar Player magazine.
Basically I strummed all six open strings as consistently as possible with each pickup, and recorded the results on separate tracks. I looked at each with a spectrum analyzer to find out what was going on, then adjusted EQ until A-Bing the two channels produced the same sound. There is a bit more to it than what you can do with EQ, but EQ alone will get you 90% of the way there.
This was an amazing article Craig. thanks for sharing. never really saw it broken down in this way before. I never realized how much a humbucker dropped off though around the 3K region. great examples of how to use EQ to obtain a good forge of a single or HB. for many years I tried to capture the sound I wanted on guitar. I tried darn near everything. I loved the feel of starts but the sound of les pauls. playing harder rock music the strats single coil was never enough meat for me personally I choose to combine a few different guitars ( ill try and post a pic later) its a 79 start that I bought smashed. I put a 2004 custom ordered rosewood neck. and a seymour Duncan humbucker made by your truly maricela Juarez in 1982. no tone controls, no caps, one volume control and that's it. I learned this from researching EVH and how he basically stumbled upon his frankenstrat. When you can ensemble a guitar and plays like no other guitar you've ever played, do what ever you need to and make it your own signature.
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☄ Helpfulby Caa2 2017/01/15 12:41:39
The neck PU is what I call my "Blues" PU. it's got that fat sustain and is darker. The middle is clean and normal, and the bridge is twangy and bright and for distortion cuts though the best.
The complicated thing about PU placement is the overtones and stuff change a bit. The neck PU is very close to where there's a harmonic.
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/15 12:53:38
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Since the OP was talking about making a strat neck pup sound like the middle pup it should be easy. It's a strat. All the pickups are essentially the same. In vintage models the only differences were those introduced by humans during the build process. In modern models the middle is usually reverse wind reverse polarity for humbucking when used with the neck or bridge. The location is the main difference. The neck is closer to the sweet spot half way between the nut and bridge. As you move away from that spot the sound gets brighter and tighter.
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2017/01/15 13:51:35
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that would be revalver
if i recall correctly was about $40, they are really good, i guess it is similarish to the process positive grid use for their stuff. revalver is an excellent amp sim/program, probably number 2 in the charts for me.
I respectfully disagree.
There is a reason this software is practically given away free as a toy with the purchase of every Happy Meal.
It lacks the realistic quality's of better amp Sims. I will say this, it has all the features a good amp sim should have with its deep editing capability's and had the potential to be a great software.
However there is no way I would even mention revolver...eh hmm, I mean Revalver in the same sentence as positive grid Bias.
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I'm glad someone else feels this way. I tried a lite version of revalver a couple years ago and was disappointed - I wouldn't put it in the same category as S-Gear, Bias or TH3.
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
2017/01/15 17:37:22
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Keni
Zargg
Hi. It wouldn't happen to be this you are looking for?
http://www.bozdigitallabs.com/product/guitar-pickup-selector/
All the best.
Thanks Zargg...
I didn't know of this one but I'm gonna give it a try.... it's even a price I can afford! (Free) 🎶
This plug-in is related to the mixing competition Boz had last year. I didn't participate myself but people complained about stereo DI tracks which apparently had neck pick up and bridge pick up divided for L/R. So if I'm not mistaken this plug-in is only a little tool for people who can't split clips. 
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
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Peavey revolver
that would be revalver
if i recall correctly was about $40, they are really good, i guess it is similarish to the process positive grid use for their stuff. revalver is an excellent amp sim/program, probably number 2 in the charts for me.
I respectfully disagree.
There is a reason this software is practically given away free as a toy with the purchase of every Happy Meal.
It lacks the realistic quality's of better amp Sims. I will say this, it has all the features a good amp sim should have with its deep editing capability's and had the potential to be a great software.
However there is no way I would even mention revolver...eh hmm, I mean Revalver in the same sentence as positive grid Bias.
If you haven't tried Bias yet. try it out and you'll see what I mean.
But I will say this. To each their own. my opinion is no better than yours. so if you think its a great amp sim than maybe you have learned to carve some great sounds out of it. I on the other hand... have not.
bias amp pro and bias fx pro are my main go to amp sims and have been since release so no need to tell me about them i consider revalver to be number 2 in my list, and i own practically everything of everything in the software amp sim world. oh, and if you haven't tried the act stuff in revalver, you should. saying that bias is still my number one by a long shot  software wise i own everything from them expansions and all, you will find no bigger possitive grid/ bias supporter than i they are simply in another league. you are preaching to the preacher there chuck (i have actually been acussed of being, and called the 'bias/possitive grid' preacher on kvr someone mentioned sgear, yeah i have that as well, it's overrated imo oh(2) and in case you are unaware, check out chptones for amp packs, they are for bias amp, but of course become available in bias fx, they are simply awesome, i got them all http://shop.choptones.net/positive-grid-bias-patches/bias-patches-full-packs?limit=100
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oh(2) and in case you are unaware, check out chptones for amp packs, they are for bias amp, but of course become available in bias fx, they are simply awesome, i got them all
http://shop.choptones.net/positive-grid-bias-patches/bias-patches-full-packs?limit=100
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
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you would need to own the act combo module (about $40 if i recall correctly) and for the act input modules (now called act instrument modules, $2.99) for whatever guitar/pickup type/combo you wanted. but bias is still much better imo, it just sounds and feels better to me. and don't forget, as in revalver, with bias amp (at least the pro version, can't be sure about the standard version), you can delve into tube types, pre and power amp types, tone stack etc to help give many more variations when looking for a tone that you might not quite have nailed. shame they don't allow that in bias fx, but once done in bias amp they are available in bias fx, so i guess it's not such a shame.
oh (again) and somewhat on topic, positive grid are working on something which models/emulates, whatever different guitars and pickups and such, haven't heard any new stuff about it for a while, plus their drum app should be cool when they release the pc version, i think they had a beta/explorer program for ios, not sure if that has been released yet, not really into ios stuff
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This was an amazing article Craig. thanks for sharing. never really saw it broken down in this way before.
I never realized how much a humbucker dropped off though around the 3K region. great examples of how to use EQ to obtain a good forge of a single or HB.
It was something I learned while working on the FBX back in 2009. I have "models" of Rickenbacker, Gretstch, Fender, other Gibsons, etc. that never made it to the public but I use them all the time. I have a story you'll love, I'll try to keep it short. The way we tested these models was we had someone playing the "real" guitar and someone playing the "model." We had a bunch of guitarists who couldn't see what was being played. My gig was to tweak the models to come as close as possible. The initial attempt always sucked. Every guitar player could tell which was the real one. So I'd get back to work. Eventually, it would get to the point where the guitar players couldn't tell the difference, but then I'd do one more tweak. During the comparison, the usual reaction was "dude, you lost the recipe. I can tell which one is the real one, it's..." And they always ended up choosing the model as the real one. That's because the final tweak made it more like the Strat, or Rick, or ES-335 you heard in your head - which wasn't always what the "real" guitar sounded like.
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Re: Replacing/Emulating a Guitar Pickup?
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with amp sims etc, and with emulating guitars and or pickups, i'm not that interested really in if it sounds like whatever it is trying to emulate, for starters i don't/haven't owned all the various amps, guitars, pickups etc that are being cloned, so i wouldn't really know. the only thing that matters to me is if it sounds good ' to me', whether or not it sounds ' convincing', ' to me'. ie it sounds like it's an amp ( i'd probably pass if xyz amp sim sounded like a washing machine ) whether or not it sounds ' authentic' to what it's trying to emulate doesn't matter so much, ' to me'
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This was an amazing article Craig. thanks for sharing. never really saw it broken down in this way before.
I never realized how much a humbucker dropped off though around the 3K region. great examples of how to use EQ to obtain a good forge of a single or HB.
It was something I learned while working on the FBX back in 2009. I have "models" of Rickenbacker, Gretstch, Fender, other Gibsons, etc. that never made it to the public but I use them all the time.
I have a story you'll love, I'll try to keep it short.
The way we tested these models was we had someone playing the "real" guitar and someone playing the "model." We had a bunch of guitarists who couldn't see what was being played. My gig was to tweak the models to come as close as possible.
The initial attempt always sucked. Every guitar player could tell which was the real one. So I'd get back to work.
Eventually, it would get to the point where the guitar players couldn't tell the difference, but then I'd do one more tweak. During the comparison, the usual reaction was "dude, you lost the recipe. I can tell which one is the real one, it's..."
And they always ended up choosing the model as the real one. That's because the final tweak made it more like the Strat, or Rick, or ES-335 you heard in your head - which wasn't always what the "real" guitar sounded like.
its truly amazing what the mind can make you think when it comes to tone and frequency. We use everything have learned in our life to trust our ears and go by that. so I can totally see this example happening to me. that frequency in the strat range is so easy to identify and probably just as easy to be fooled by with the right processing. I love talking about different guitar tones. unless of course its about tone-wood. those debates usually end up in the toilet (See you tube) For some reason people tend to take that subject rather serious.
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