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Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
I paid for Platinum in February and never installed the upgrade, in part because my SSD OS/Programs drive was running out of space. I only have around 20 GB of space left on my 2 year old 180 GB SSD (only used for OS and Programs). At the time of X3 Pro installation, I chose to have my Sonar projects and Cakewalk Content on a separate drive (S:). http://screencast.com/t/D0vEtWIcyVWm But it appears that much of the Cakewalk content was duplicated in the C: drive's 64-bit Program section: http://screencast.com/t/Ro5IfEHyl9Bb And there is also the C: drive's 32-bit Program section (installed Sonar X3 32-bit to use DrumCore, which I can live without.) http://screencast.com/t/qxX3kxsaRmvA So...here I am at a choice point. I want to clean this up with the new install, and I'm not against uninstalling everything for a clean installation. Can really use some guidance regarding: - I've read that the easiest installations and monthly updates are to just hand it over to the CCC and let it do it's thing, which appears to install everything to the C: drive. Accurate? Does that work well?
- If I did that, since my C: drive (OS & Programs) is about to go into "red flag" zone in terms of space available, is it best to upgrade from the 180 GB SSD to a 256 GB SSD to accommodate Platinum's size and expanding content? Or a 500 GB? (I would clone the existing drive to a larger drive, then install Platinum.)
- Should I uninstall all my prior installations or just install over them...and if just installing over them, what should I do about all the duplicate content?
I would benefit from simplicity at this point. Gratitude, Chamlin
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/10/31 13:53:44
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☄ Helpfulby chamlin 2015/10/31 15:00:00
Install the CCC and login, the click on the Cog gear gadget. Click on the Paths tab, you can then chose where to install some of the program, i.e 32 and 64 bit plugs, Where the stuff is downloaded to for installs, I have that set to another drive and where the Cakewalk Content is installed. You would probably benefit from a drive upgrade to at least 256 or larger. SONAR Platinum will install in its own directory, however the common bits will overwrite as appropriate. If you do decided to uninstall do a custom one and be selective.
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/10/31 14:06:32
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☄ Helpfulby chamlin 2015/10/31 15:00:03
If you can afford it, a larger SSD would defer the problem for some time, possibly forever. Letting the Command Center handle updates is the least painful route. Using the verbose setting and alternate paths provided in the Command Center configuration can also help, if you choose to install things in other than default paths. Relocate the download path and/or removed the installers from the path after installation. Just as with every version of SONAR there is a tremendous amount of overlap between X3 and the new SONAR. More than half the disk space is used by samples and audio loops. There are no changes in the sample libraries which install with the sfz synths (DPro, Cakewalk Sound Center, Rapture Session Drummer and Studio Instruments). I would not mess with uninstalling the previous version, it is not going to return much disk space because of the amount of shared data between releases.
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/10/31 14:12:50
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Wouldn't uninstalling remove all the multiple iterations I seem to have of Dpro? Or perhaps, once CCC installs everything to the C: drive, I can just delete all the content on my S: drive. If I did that, will my current preferences/settings be carried over, and possibly cause Platinum to not know where to find Dpro, etc.?
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/10/31 14:20:13
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No, they overwrite themselves. If you have altered the registry or used directory junctions to alter content locations, the installers will honor the changes and install accordingly. FWIW, there are no changes to DPro or Rapture content or programs. The installers where changed to work with the Command Center.
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/10/31 14:53:58
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Thanks guys. I'll clone to a 500 GB SSD; allow CCC to choose where to put everything; check my settings and then clean up.
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/12/19 17:40:32
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UPDATE: I have replaced my C: OS drive with a 512 GB SSD. Prior to installing CCC and letting it put everything wherever the heck it so desires for simplicity sake, I'd like to clean some things up and can use your holiday spirit assistance in terms of where folders and content should reside and how to move them in preparation for the install. - Windows 7 Pro system, 16 GB RAM.
- Sonar X3 Pro: 64-bit and 32-bit (for DrumCore 3) installed --- going to Platinum
1. With plenty of C: drive space, and unless there is an important reason to NOT do this, I'd like to have everything except the actual project files just reside on the C: drive. That will allow me to dedicate my S: drive space to just the project folders, with the "Per project" audio data. My system seems to have stuff all over the place. Dimension content is on the S: drive, Dimension Pro on the C: drive. And I just noticed that in the C: root "Cakewalk Projects" folder, there is audio data from one of my songs that has always had the "Per Project Audio" box checked. ??? Questions: A. Which of these should I NOT change from S: to C: (other than Project Files)? B. If I change these will Sonar automatically adjust this for all existing projects, or will projects be confused as to where things are? C. Do I need to move the actual content of these folders or will Sonar automatically do so? D. How can I safely move that audio data to the proper folder on my S: drive? 
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/12/20 01:54:49
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Since you have a huge SSD, I'd just let the various installers put things where they want. That way you're (just about) guaranteed that things will go smoothly and, more importantly, in the future things will continue to go smoothly without your having to worring about what to do. Myself, I'm constantly fighting with the various installers and 'service centers' because my main SSD is only 128 gb and has more or less run out of room. Fighting I could do without. I'm very seriously considering going to a much larger SSD just to not have to worry about things like this.
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/12/20 01:58:14
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Thanks, Paul. But if I currently have my preferences set up with many things routed to the S: drive, what will happen to existing projects looking for the files?
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/12/20 02:18:27
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chamlin Thanks, Paul. But if I currently have my preferences set up with many things routed to the S: drive, what will happen to existing projects looking for the files?
Apart from your Sonar projects which can be moved at will (I believe), you're probably better off reinstalling things to your SSD. Especially big things like DimPro and SD3 multisamples and any other sample libraries. If I were you, I'd put everything except your Sonar projects on the SSD (unless your projects are huge and you don't want to wait for them to load). I'd hope that reinstalling things would redirect the needs of your existing projects to the new locations, but I can't guarantee that (someone else would be better placed to comment here). There's not much need to have your audio files on the ssd, but everything else would benefit from it and with 512 gb you shouldn't have any space problems (for the moment I can only dream of having that much ssd space available).
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/12/21 13:04:25
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Just bumping in hope of some additional input on post #7 of the thread so I can best prepare to go from X3 to Platinum. Excited to do this but don't yet have clarity.
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/12/21 13:49:19
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chamlin Questions: A. Which of these should I NOT change from S: to C: (other than Project Files)? B. If I change these will Sonar automatically adjust this for all existing projects, or will projects be confused as to where things are? C. Do I need to move the actual content of these folders or will Sonar automatically do so? D. How can I safely move that audio data to the proper folder on my S: drive?
Hi. A: I have everything placed on other disc's in Preferences. B: You can choose to open projects, save and choose copy audio to new location. C: I have copied my folders to new drive, before deleting old one. SONAR will ask for audio location. Just locate new path. All the best.
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/12/21 13:58:08
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☄ Helpfulby chamlin 2015/12/22 03:03:59
chamlin A. Which of these should I NOT change from S: to C: (other than Project Files)?
Here is how I setup a second internal drive as a project drive. With SONAR not running - Rename "C:\Cakewalk Projects" to "C:\Cakewalk Projects 2"
- Then run cmd.exe as administrator and type
- mkdir "S:\SONAR Projects\Audio Data"
- mkdir "S:\SONAR Projects\Picture Cache"
- mklink /j "C:\Cakewalk Projects" "S:\SONAR Projects"
- Copy any files in "C:\Cakewalk Projects 2\Audio Data" to "S:\SONAR Projects\Audio Data"
If you work with video that path probably should not point to the system drive. Everything else can work with the defaults on the C: drive although I prefer to some custom locations. For example, I use a custom location for drum maps and project templates in order to keep those lists small. Once you are sure everything is running OK, delete or archive the old "Cakewalk Projects 2." If there is a third drive available, I would put the picture cache on it otherwise, leave it alone. It is handled by the instructions above. chamlin B. If I change these will Sonar automatically adjust this for all existing projects, or will projects be confused as to where things are?
Projects which use the default layout of per-project audio folders, IOW with an audio folder nested below the project files, are portable. The projects use a relative path to the audio data. This means you can move the projects anywhere and as long as the data stays in the same relative location, nested in a folder below the project files. If you are currently using the global audio file, copying the data to the new location I mention above "S:\SONAR Projects\Audio Data" will work for them. Of course the data will need to be moved before removing the "C:\Cakewalk Projects" folder. If you use another scheme you will probably have to tell the project when the audio files are located when you open the project. chamlin C. Do I need to move the actual content of these folders or will Sonar automatically do so?
When changing paths in preferences, you are responsible for making sure the data is in the correct location. chamlin D. How can I safely move that audio data to the proper folder on my S: drive?
Covered in the answer to B above unless this is a question about how to convert project using global data to per-project audio folders. The conversion is performed by opening the projects and using the "Save As" command with the "Copy all audio with project" enabled and the paths properly defined in the dialog.
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/12/21 14:15:15
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Scook has given you a very comprehensive answer and there is nothing I would add.
post edited by Wookiee - 2015/12/21 14:30:59
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/12/21 14:32:36
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Thank you all for the great input. I'm going to digest this tonight and (warning) may have a few follow ups. :)
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/12/22 03:04:08
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Fantastic. Thanks, all. And Scook, that detail really helped clarify everything for me. And Wooks, your PM's as well. For greatest ease, I changed all File Location preferences to the C: drive (except my my Sonar project files) then moved all the Cakewalk Content manually from the S: drive to the C: drive. Then, I changed the Audio Data preferences "audio data" and "picture cache" to the S: drive and kept "per project" checked, so that when I back things up on that drive (real-time 24/7) all that data is kept together. Finally, that aberrant issue of one song's .wav files somehow all being in the global folder even though "per project" was selected...I just moved that audio data to the actual songs project's audio folder, then opened the project and when prompted, pointed Sonar to the "missing data". This now leaves me with all Sonar content, samples, etc. in their respective places on the C: drive and only my song projects on the S: drive. So...next up is installing Platinum! Thanks again all.
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Re: Request for Installation Guidance: Upgrading X3 Pro to Platinum
2015/12/22 23:39:32
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Platinum installed...but threw content, samples all over the place regardless of prior settings. THAT'S where Scook's brilliant mk dir thingies were critical. So I backed out, did what Scook suggested, and things reinstalled mostly well. Ultimately, had to go in to the registry and painstakingly went through every entry and found the little pixies hiding and pointing in the wrong direction, adjusted them, and all is well in the world of Platinum. Got rid of all my extra Dimension samples and other duplicate files accumulated over the years. CCC is pointed in the right direction as well. Goodbye X3 64-bit and 32-bit (for Drumcore 3). Hello SPLAT with Jbridge for DrumCore 3. Much gratitude to all... Chamlin
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