[Resolved] X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible...

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2013/10/28 12:15:41 (permalink)

[Resolved] X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible...

I came from 8.5, so I'm a bit lost in X3.
 
In Comping Mode, I recorded once vocal take. It plays back and I can hear it, but I can't see the wave form in the Comp track or the Take lane. I have no control over Mute/Solo or volume even though I "think" my routing is good. Struggling a bit here.
post edited by Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] - 2013/10/29 14:55:51
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    Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/10/28 17:45:58 (permalink)
    It's interesting that you say you have no control over solo & mute.
     
    At which level? Clip? Track? Buss? Master?
     
    I'd try to solve this by working backwards from your mains.
    SOMETHING is getting there, you just have to track it down.
    Start by muting/soling individual busses, then work back to your tracks and then you can investigate at the clip level

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    Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/10/28 17:52:28 (permalink)
    Sound like it may be a hidden track?
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    Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/10/28 17:56:36 (permalink)
    JGarvey
    I came from 8.5, so I'm a bit lost in X3.
     
    In Comping Mode, I recorded once vocal take. It plays back and I can hear it, but I can't see the wave form in the Comp track or the Take lane. I have no control over Mute/Solo or volume even though I "think" my routing is good. Struggling a bit here.


    Can you please post a picture of this? It's hard to troubleshoot this without some sort of visual guide. :) Thanks!
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    Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/10/28 17:59:32 (permalink)
    One way or another, it sounds like you are not looking at or tweaking controls in the same track on which the take was recorded and is playing back.

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    [Resolved] Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/10/29 11:37:17 (permalink)
    Thanks, everyone. Using the H key, I can see that the track is visible, and in Track view I can also see the track header info, but no waveform.
    I decided not to troubleshoot any longer and just started a new project and brought stuff over. Thanks again and this one will remain a mystery for me.
    I noticed that I don't have the Key change option any more, unless I'm missing it. Since Cakewalk 3.0 back in 1992, I used to change the keys to MIDI files to test my voice against them by arrowing up/down without have to actually transpose the MIDI data. It's something I used a lot, and gave me a good visual reference of how many semi-tones up or down from the original I was working with and could then have multiple versions.
    Overall, I love Sonar X3, I just have to get used to it.
    I did have a weird thing in Comping mode, where one of four of the Take lanes was doubling when I soloed it. Not sure what was happening with that as it happened on two different songs. I'd solo each Take lane and all was fine, but then one Take lane had two voices sounding, even though it was in Solo mode. I'll learn, eventually.
    Thanks again, all.
    post edited by Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] - 2013/10/29 14:27:27
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    Re: [Resolved] Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/10/29 14:54:43 (permalink)
    About the key change option - do you mean the transpose value (vs command) for MIDI tracks?  If so, check the Track Inspector.   And if it's while using an Instrument Track, make sure to click the MIDI tab at the lower right corner in the TI.
     

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    Re: [Resolved] Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/10/29 17:36:10 (permalink)
    Thanks, Steve. I checked the Track Inspector and don't see it there either.
     
    In Track View I always could see a value of 0 with an up/down arrow and would just click up or down to transpose the track on the fly. Don't see that anymore like I did in 8.5 and earlier. Really miss it for my work as it's laborious to highlight the tracks, right click, choose Process/Effects then MIDI and then Transpose.
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    Re: [Resolved] Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/10/30 00:23:15 (permalink)
    That is in the TI - I use it every now and then.   What type of track do you have?

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    Re: [Resolved] Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/11/03 07:01:01 (permalink)
    Thanks, Steve. I guess I missed it. They are all MIDI only tracks.
     
    I buy sequences from vendors and in 8.5 and before I used to be able to just Up or Down arrow the key in semi-tone adjustments, then save different versions to try my vocals against.
     
    By having these numbers visible, when I'd load a different version of the song, I could quickly see if the songs were 1, 2, 3 or 4 semi-tones up or down from the original key without having to make written notes or start looking at the notation (which I can't read anyway).
     
    I'll take another look to see how I missed it in Track Inspector.
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    Re: [Resolved] Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/11/03 10:29:52 (permalink)
    As far as the original problem using the Redraw Wave feature (or whatever it is called) might have helped but you seem to have moved on.
     
    If you were using a regular MIDI track the pitch adjustment is indeed in the Track Inspector but not in the (Console Inspector IIRC). It is on the right strip in the Inspector and although it should be at the bottom it may be covered up by one of the Inspector tabs thingies so to get rid of those just look at the top of the Inspector and click any tab that is blue to reveal the full strips (this drove me crazy for a while until I figured out how to show the full strips).
     
    But it sounds like you are using some kind of sample groove clips or something in an audio track. These do not work the same way and although you can control the Pitch on groove clips that have that ability I think you have to navigate to the Groove Clips section of the Inspector. Select the track (this will highlight all the clips in the track) > Open the Inspector (I) > Click on the "Clips" tab. Once in the Clips tab you will see a list of options. Click Groove Clips and now you will see all your Groove Clip options including Pitch.
     
    If you want to increase the pitch of multiple groove clips at once I believe all you have to do is Select all the tracks or clips you want to change (this will change the parameters within the Groove Clips section to "Multi" which means it will apply to all Groove Clips selected) and make your adjustments. This will not work on regular audio clips (I don't think) so if the clips you want to change don't have the beveled edges you have to convert them to Groove Clips first. To do this select the clip(s) > Right Click > Groove Clip Looping. Now you can use the Groove Clip setting in the Inspector. Depending on the clip this may not sound all that great but I think what you would do then is render the clip with some of the fancy bounce algorithms.
     
    If this is not the info you are looking for, my apologies. Cheers.
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    Re: [Resolved] Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/11/03 11:08:34 (permalink)
    Thanks, Beepster.
     
    Finally, I see the left/right slider for the transpose on the fly funtion. I am not used to the Track Inspector and how it occupies two vertical strips, side by side.
     
    I appreciate your help and info.
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    Re: [Resolved] Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/11/03 11:36:44 (permalink)
    Ah, cool. You were indeed looking for the MIDI params (and now that I re read your post I should have known that). The Inspector is a little confusing at first if you don't know how to navigate it. It caused me a lot of problems for a while until I figured out where everything was and how to get at it. It's not exactly intuitive if you are approaching it without any previous experience with it (IMO) but once you understand it and it's secrets it's a really cool little dealymabob.
     
    But now you know more about how to get at stuff in the Clip Inspector as well if you weren't already familiar with it. That one is absolutely crammed with options.
     
    Glad to be of service.
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    Re: [Resolved] Re: X3 Vocal take sounding but invisible... 2013/11/06 11:16:19 (permalink)
    Thanks again Beepster. I love Sonar  X3c and just did 15 hours with it. Stable. Now if I can just figure out how to auto log in to this forum without having to enter a security code, life would be great. 
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