CHaz, I bookmarked the page, I'll have to work my way through it and play with it. It's good to know it can be fixed a bit. Thanks for checking out my songs also, I know they're pretty rough as far as production goes. Unfortunately, I don't get enough time to work on the music, let alone the production. THis is purely a hobby for me, so although I'd be interested in knowing what the problems are I can't expect you to take that much time out of your schedule.

In regards to the comment about copying and pasting guitar
or vocal tracks a slight bit off from each other to get a verb
effect. I've been experimenting with that process for
about a year now and it does work. That's all i can tell you.
I've done that on Highway 93.

Best Regards,
pluto

Here here....This post has no more business being here than it does being said at all. People are learning here Mr. Zepola1....we are not without guilt in alot of areas but to come in here and **** in a blanket way is like going to a 5th grade classroom and screaming at everyone for not knowing advanced calculus. Does make me think that I would love to hear some of your perfect mixes with the absolute perfect amount of reverb and all blended in just so.....Cant wait to hear it....
Mark

Oh dear......... oh my..............
Now Ive gone an done it again!
But as long as Im here. I would like to ask people to not use the reply link of the bottom most post by defalt. If you are speeking to someone use the reply link in sed persons posting. Granted I am not what youd call a smart man jenny.
But Im shure this type of thing can be as confusing to outhers as it is to me.

Remember:
If you dont eat your meat you cant have any pudding
how can you have any pudding if you dont eat your meat?

Kidsoncoffee.

Well, I believe I listened to your track and didn't mention anything about reverb.

I'm not going to go look it up but I recall saying the mix sounded good or something to that effect.

but get short changed because this kind of thing is pushing it off the front page to its death. Im sorry for ****ing,

this is one thread. What has it exactly "pushed off the page"?

Zep--

Zepola1

That is not what I said nor what I meant. I am not at all troubled by the criticizm. The type of critique you have offered is what has made me a better producer of my own music. It is this thread that I object to. You start a thread in the songs forum that should have been started in the coffee house as far as I can see. I am not at all concerned or troubled about your comments to me in my thread "Bounty Hunter" you were right. I think however this thread is a bit discouraging to new people in particular in its content and the direction it has gone in.

And lastly, the reason I mention your music is that anyone, I feel, that joins this forum needs to earn respect fromn his/her fellow members. This is in no way mandatory, hoiwever it does make it quite a bit more palatable when offering critique when we know that the person doing the critique has a leg to stand on. That may be an unpopular thing to say, but it is life. How can you instruct me when I dont know your credentials. Even though I will state again, you were right on about the reverb in "Bounty". This is a somewhat closeknit group. I will always heed Chaz, Michael Japan, JMarkham and many others advice without question. I know they offer good and credible advice.
So welcome to the group and I hope that you find it as productive, entertaining, and enjoyable as I do.
Thanks
Mark

But as long as Im here. I would like to ask people to not use the reply link of the bottom most post by defalt. If you are speeking to someone use the reply link in sed persons posting.

Funny how that button didn't appear in my browser until you mentioned it. Kinda lends credibility to the "Internet is God" thread over in the Coffee House. Either that, or my wifes claim of my selective hearing/reading disorder...

We cool then. That's good. I really meant it when I said I liked your stuff.

I'm a nice laid back old hippy, really! :)

Zep--

ORIGINAL: pluto

In regards to the comment about copying and pasting guitar
or vocal tracks a slight bit off from each other to get a verb
effect. I've been experimenting with that process for
about a year now and it does work. That's all i can tell you.
I've done that on Highway 93.

Best Regards,
pluto

Pluto,

Though I have also use that a time or two, I have not posted comments in this thread regarding your post. You must be making reference to someone other than myself.

Thanks.

ORIGINAL: chaz

ORIGINAL: pluto

In regards to the comment about copying and pasting guitar
or vocal tracks a slight bit off from each other to get a verb
effect. I've been experimenting with that process for
about a year now and it does work. That's all i can tell you.
I've done that on Highway 93.

Best Regards,
pluto

Pluto,

Though I have also use that a time or two, I have not posted comments in this thread regarding your post. You must be making reference to someone other than myself.

Thanks.

Hi Chaz.... yes you are right. I should've quoted the post. The
copying and pasting comment i quoted was from Zepo1a's
first post in this topic.

I tried it with only a couple of lead guitar
parts in H 93. Sometimes just playing the exact lead alongside
the other lead can get the verb effect too without copying and
pasting anything if the lead is played a slight bit off, not
easy to do, need really good timing, maybe that's where
the drumming experience comes in that helps me pull it off.
I should be getting high speed soon and i plan on checking
all your mixes out Chaz as well as other music on here too.
I did check out your website and it is top notch. So hope
my answer above solved the mystery...lol.

Best Regards,
pluto

Den,

I just listened to your stuff as well, and I have to say... Nice chops man. I like the recordings as well... one of the best I have heard so far in this forum. I downloaded The exodus, and now I am listening to Stacy's Romp... Great stuff man. (sorry, I know it's off topic, but I am new )

Right. It all depends on the type of music and the setting in which one wants to place it.

Indeed. I feel this keenly as an electronic musician, since effects are actually part of the composition process, not just the production. It's quite possible I could spend more time getting the right chain of effects for a track, than actually writing notes.

Compression is an absolute must in electronic music. In fact, sometimes you deliberately over-compress to get a particular type of sound; particularly with basslines, and even more so if you employ cutoff filters. (I also agree with others that it can be overused, especially in the mastering process)

As to reverb, it's an essential tool to be able to create a sense of distance between instruments, to give the music a 3-dimensional feel. Definitely a tool to have in your arsenal; knowing that if you want this kind of effect in a song you know how to do it.

It is this thread that I object to. You start a thread in the songs forum that should have been started in the coffee house as far as I can see.

But if it was in another forum the people who primarily use the songs forum would probably miss it. And I would guess that the songs posted here are what the thread is about.

I realize that question of tehnique vs song content has become a issue on this forum lately but you cannot completely seperate the two. And this is a forum hosted by a music recording software company after all.

The cakewalk description for this 'Songs' forum is simply this:

Post links to your latest songs or projects.

That description is pretty wide open and does not in any way preclude discussions about certain aspects of the songs posted. In that light it is reasonable that this forum has become a medium for posting and critiquing songs, and specifically recordings of songs.

There are other places on the web to share lyrics, tab, notation and such but this fourm is about songs recorded on Cakewalk products. So I may be off base here but it seems unreasonable to expect users of this forum to completely refrain for making comments about technique.

Yes there is a forum dedicated to recording technique but that forum does not explicitly invite people to post links to songs and this one does. And anyone who looks at the stats is going to figure out that the techniques forum gets a lot less traffic so posting there is not exactly going generate much response.

It is reasonable to redirect someone who makes a post that doesn't quite fit to the correct forum. But it seems that lately there is a bit too much of people playing at being the forum police.

Most early human art has been found in caves. Sociologists
would point out that there must have been music there too ..
so reverb is a natural part of the human psycho-acoustic
model .. the lack of reverb is unnatural to us, Don't fight
your DNA :-)
jeff

Never really been bitten by the reverb bug.....

I had the reverb bug real bad when I first started recording.I didn't realize it when I kept adding more reverb,but when I would come back the next day and listen to it,sounded like I was in a baseball stadium.Through therapy I have managed to keep it under control.

Also had the compression bug for a while also,now I only use it when mastering,and very little.I think now I'm progessing in to the tapeism stage.I think I'll just ride this one out,and see where it takes me.