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2014/10/06 21:50:05 (permalink)

Reverbs

With all the talk about the new Eventide Ultrareverb and the Acon Digital Verberate I got in the mood to play around with the reverbs in my collection. My personal favorite is ValhallaVintageverb, but I was listening to track I made a couple of years ago and just loved the reverb on my vocal. Guess what it was...(drum roll)...Sonitus Reverb! I'm also always impressed by the Variety of sounds Epic Verb, which is a great freebie. I also love Valhallaroom, but I don't think I'm getting everything out of it. I must admit I haven't worked with Breverb as much as I should. This is what I do now when I start to feel a case of gas coming along. I open up all that I currently don't use and discover some nice tools for free.

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    rtucker55
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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/06 22:04:15 (permalink)
    That sounds like a great antacid for a case of gas!  I still love Valhallaroom but the Sonitus is a killer verb with a lot of control.
     
    I kinda gave up on Breverb as it sounded a little too metallic although I did not pursue it any further.

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/06 22:13:05 (permalink)
    I love ValhallaVintageVerb and also ValhallaRoom. But I think Breverb can be great as well, especially on synths or for when you want an "effect" reverb rather than something natural. 

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/06 22:17:18 (permalink)
    Yeah, I'm sure Breverb deserves more of my time. I read great reviews on it everywhere. I only have the Sonar version, but it seems to have all of the control I would need.

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/06 22:32:03 (permalink)
    I think I purchased the full version when Cake had an upgrade on Breverb I just didn't do anything with after I got it. That is a great idea sharke, I hadn't thought of using it as an effect vs. a room. Gotta give that a try!

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/06 23:32:26 (permalink)
    ValhallaVintageVerb has become my goto and all around favorite. I tried for the longest time to work with the copy of Breverb that came with Sonar. I kept thinking the same thing; it has a Metallicy sound to it.

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 00:23:51 (permalink)
    http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/10-of-the-best-reverb-vst-plugins-588377
     
    Check this out.
     
    IMHO each reverb has a different sound and sound good on different instruments. I think Breverb needs a lot of tweaking to sound good. I like Breverb on Session Drummer. 
    Sonitus reverb sound good on vocal. The short and sweet preset is a good starting point.
    Breeze sounds good with Ivory2 and true piano. However I am still tweaking around to make it sound perfect with my new toy the pianoteq5. 
    I am still demoing Ikmultimedia CSR and think quite highly of it.
     
     

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 03:51:12 (permalink)
    I really like BReverb and don't feel it's metallic at all. On vocals, I often start with the "a capella vox" preset and adjust that a bit. It's definitely more of a "reverb" sounding reverb than a "natural sounding space" reverb, just as VVV which I also like. I tend to use impulse based reverbs for natural spaces, although ValhallaRoom is good in small doses.
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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 04:07:38 (permalink)
    I use two of my bundled reverbs 90% of the time. When I get bored or feel lazy, I can always dig out one of the 3rd party ones. Valhalla is a long time favorite of mine.
     
    So is IK's CSR, which is as close as it gets to instant gratification this side of Lexicon. In fact, CSR is probably the first thing I try if I venture down the 3rd party plugs menu. I rarely have to go any further.
     
    I do love my Lexicon but I haven't connected my iLok in months now.
     
    The Sonitus plugs in Sonar have always been underrated.

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 04:18:05 (permalink)
    Vvv for me, love it and ql spaces. Sonitus pretty good too. Still can't get on with breverb, definitely not on vocals, I agree it's a bit metallic sounding for some sources.

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 07:00:38 (permalink)
    I heard an old mix recently and noted that the reverb on a lead sounded particularly good, so I dug out the original project to see which VRoom preset (or maybe convolution IR) I'd used on it. Surprise! It wasn't VRoom at all. Bigger surprise: it turned out to be the much-maligned Pantheon.
     
    Goes to show that when you find the right effect it's the right effect regardless of whether it's a "good" one or not.


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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 08:16:58 (permalink)
    I am in the Sonitus camp as well. I also like Softube's TSAR-1 in their mix bundle.
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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 10:01:17 (permalink)
    I still go back to the trusty IK CSR verbs more often than not.  Easy to dial in, lush if you want it, invisible if needed.  That said, the Sonitus verb (like all the Sonitus stuff) still finds its way in to most projects somewhere or another.

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 10:19:35 (permalink)
    Rain
    I use two of my bundled reverbs 90% of the time. When I get bored or feel lazy, I can always dig out one of the 3rd party ones. Valhalla is a long time favorite of mine.
     
    So is IK's CSR, which is as close as it gets to instant gratification this side of Lexicon. In fact, CSR is probably the first thing I try if I venture down the 3rd party plugs menu. I rarely have to go any further.
     
    I do love my Lexicon but I haven't connected my iLok in months now.
     
    The Sonitus plugs in Sonar have always been underrated.


    Just the other day in another thread I posted that I thought the CSR was becoming under-rated IMO. Glad to see some here still like it as I do. I think I bought them for $30 from someone on KVR.

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 11:55:52 (permalink)
    When it comes to software algorithm based reverb plugins, it's hard to beat Phoenix Verb from Exponential Audio.
    Michael Carnes is the man behind numerous Lexicon hardware reverbs.
     
    Though it's not cheap, it's easy to justify the cost as THE one-and-only reverb plugin you'll need.
    Sounds great... even on high-transient sources like drum-kit (which easily reveals inferior algorithms). 

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 11:59:53 (permalink)
    Word.


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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 12:57:30 (permalink)
    Does anyone use any of the Native Instruments reverbs that come with Guitar Rig and/or Komplete? I must admit I haven't really explored these fully - things like Iceverb, Vintage Verb, Spring Reverb and Reflektor.

    I was actually very impressed with Waves TrueVerb the other day - another which I'd had for ages without bothering to experiment with. I'd been less than happy with my Valhalla verbs on a synth sound, Breverb didn't work either but TrueVerb was ideal. Just goes to show, it's worth having a bunch at hand even if some of them only get used 5% of the time.

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 14:56:13 (permalink)
    The RC24 and RC48 reverbs that come in Komplete Ultimate sound pretty good.
    The SoftTube plugins in Komplete Ultimate (Dynamics, EQ, Reverb) all sound pretty good.
    Fantastic bargain! Especially for those who don't already have favored 3rd-party plugins...

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 15:12:31 (permalink)
    sharke
    Does anyone use any of the Native Instruments reverbs that come with Guitar Rig and/or Komplete? I must admit I haven't really explored these fully - things like Iceverb, Vintage Verb, Spring Reverb and Reflektor.



    I use the Vintage Verb tons! Best spring reverb I know and the plates are nice too. Reflektor is my goto for convolution because of the low latency performance. Sounds like convolution!





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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 15:25:02 (permalink)
    There are some interesting verbs in Reaktor, too.  Check the Space Master ensembles, which are similar to the highly regarded Redline reverb. 
     
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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 17:55:11 (permalink)
    Eddie TX
    There are some interesting verbs in Reaktor, too.  Check the Space Master ensembles, which are similar to the highly regarded Redline reverb. 
     
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    Ah I forgot about SpaceMaster, that is a very lovely, trippy sounding reverb.

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 17:58:23 (permalink)
    When I want the sound of spring reverb I use a reverb with a spring in it.


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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 18:21:21 (permalink)
    I use PSP SpringBox. It sounds really good, especially if you don't have a real spring reverb unit.
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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 19:13:05 (permalink)
    Thanks to Scook I got a new reverb today!!! Meldaproduction's MMultibandconvolution! I've been wanting a good 64bit stereo convolution program for a long time and have been collecting IRs from Lexicon and Bricasti for that future day. This is also my first plugin from Melda. At first glance it seems to be a very complete package.

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 20:25:50 (permalink)
    Like Jim mentioned, I also like the NI RC 48 and RC 24. I preferred them over Breverb which is what I was originally using.
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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/07 22:26:44 (permalink)
    Here is a little tip. There is usually only room for one or at the most two expensive sounding reverbs in any mix. Once you start going over that then you start not hearing them anymore because there are too many of them.
     
    A good thing to do is to mix your reverb qualities up a little and have some not so great sounding reverbs in a mix. Sometimes a cheaper or rougher sounding reverb can work better than an expensive sounding one on the same part. (something to remember. A rough sounding reverb will always sound a little better by the time the sound bounces around the room from your monitors to your ears.  ie the room actually smooths some of it a little. Also the brain has the ability to fill in the rough spots too, leave some of it to the imagination)
     
    I have got some fantastic sounding spring reverb VST's. They are soooooo good now it is amazing. Saves fiddling around with actual spring reverbs. And who has got those anyway!

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/08 01:06:34 (permalink)
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    Here is a little tip. There is usually only room for one or at the most two expensive sounding reverbs in any mix. Once you start going over that then you start not hearing them anymore because there are too many of them.
     
    A good thing to do is to mix your reverb qualities up a little and have some not so great sounding reverbs in a mix. Sometimes a cheaper or rougher sounding reverb can work better than an expensive sounding one on the same part.




    I got the same advice from Mike Senior's "Mixing Secrets," and I think I might have heard Dave Pensado say it too. Or was it Bobby Owsinski. Sometimes a cheap and nasty reverb is exactly what you want. 

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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/08 10:14:46 (permalink)
    That's funny... what the heck is an expensive sounding reverb???
     
    For example; Go price a real life (not a make believe real life) spring reverb unit and compare it to the price of the digital reverbs mentioned here and you'll see how the terms "cheap" and "expensive" are meaningless.
     
    I have older tube driven spring units but this solid state example seems like a nifty new item:
     

     
    This item seems cool if you really like doing it with tubes.
     

     
     
     


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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/09 00:14:32 (permalink)
    sharke
    Does anyone use any of the Native Instruments reverbs that come with Guitar Rig and/or Komplete? I must admit I haven't really explored these fully - things like Iceverb, Vintage Verb, Spring Reverb and Reflektor.



    Vintage Verb is actually convolution (with 8 embedded impulses).  It is my favorite reverb to use within GR5.  I am sure VV would sound good on other instruments, but I haven't done so yet.
     
    Iceverb and Octoverb are more niche type reverbs.  Each of them has their own specific sound that might be good in certain situations, but I can't see them for everyday use.
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    Re: Reverbs 2014/10/09 06:36:00 (permalink)
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    Vintage Verb is actually convolution (with 8 embedded impulses).



    Huh? Where did you get this information?  The Vintage Verb webpage states nothing about convolution and impulses.  From his page: "Features: 9 reverb algorithms."
     
    [EDIT: Maybe we're talking about a different verb. I am referring to Valhalla's Vintage Verb (aka, VVV, V3, etc.).]
     
    With that said, I too enjoy using Valhalla's VintageVerb; recommended as it is very versatile. It is used often.  Also, since I love big and modulated verbs, I have demoed and really like D16 Group's Toraverb. Currently, I'm waiting for that one to go back on sale (as well as D16 Group's other great plugins), but it's already very affordable at $49.
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