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Robert Babicz on mastering
Everyone who is thinks they can use "mastering" plug-ins to make their mix sound better...please watch this video. http://www.vimeo.com/808485
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 19:55:29
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 20:14:19
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nprime, interesting. .but it's also about budget .. which some of us don't have. It boils down to making the most of what you have. some of my friends do use real equipment , like Rob acquired over the years. They like the warmth of it etc. but I bet he still uses the odd vst-fx was funny he uses a BBC mixer, they are normally custom builds, it's about the 3rd person I've heard of using one.. Now I know where my license fee is going  hehe
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 20:20:28
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I guess it's also about training yourself to what works for you. It would be interesting to recreate his multiple compressor series using pluggins, just to see what happens.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 20:31:13
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Cheers nprime, great video! :)
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 20:57:04
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I want one of those reverb units. Mike
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 21:01:35
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Kinda blows the 96 k crowd out the window. He is mastering for clubs thus I don't think he is getting the very best sound for an audiophile. None the less it is clear that what Don and I have been saying for a long time now is don't destroy the dynamic range. He seems to be saying the same thing.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 21:03:58
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interesting, thanks for posting I loathe his musical choices but definitely a studied guy & as the lads above have pointed out, he touches on Katz's great pet peeve of over compression
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 22:00:53
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He looks a little young to be taking credit for inventing parallel compression!
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 22:07:48
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Hello, The first commercial studio where I recorded in the mid-70's had that AKG "spring" reverb. GK
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 22:13:50
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ORIGINAL: nprime Everyone who is thinks they can use "mastering" plug-ins to make their mix sound better...please watch this video. I like the interview but I don't agree with your conclusions. You can use digital (plug-ins) to make mixes sound better. YMMV For some perspective watch the following Greg Calbi interview (especially) from 24:38 to 27:13 http://www.artistshousemusic.org/videos/music+industry+profile+mastering+engineer+greg+calbi Analogue is not always the solution. UnderTow
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 22:51:54
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ORIGINAL: pooskie I guess it's also about training yourself to what works for you. It would be interesting to recreate his multiple compressor series using pluggins, just to see what happens. Yes it would be interesting. It would seem that to train yourself, you would have to spend a ton of time experimenting, and do it in a great listening environment. I wonder if you could mock something up just using the Vintage Channel? Each iteration of it would have two compressors and the ability to set them up in series or parallel.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 22:53:53
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ORIGINAL: UnderTow ORIGINAL: nprime Everyone who is thinks they can use "mastering" plug-ins to make their mix sound better...please watch this video. I like the interview but I don't agree with your conclusions. You can use digital (plug-ins) to make mixes sound better. YMMV I hope so, because I am not investing in a bunch of analogue gear.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 22:59:29
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I also didn't agree with the OP's conclusions about plugins which probably stems from a misinterpretation of what Babicz said about Mastering plugins. I'm pretty sure that when he called limiters and mastering plugins "...the worst thing since audio editing was invented.", he was referring to people who misuse them. Some mastering engineers don't like to recieve any material with processing done on the Master Bus, but it doesn't mean that one can't get awesome results with plugins too. It's just a mater of taste.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 23:04:51
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For some perspective watch the following Greg Calbi interview (especially) from 24:38 to 27:13 http://www.artistshousemusic.org/videos/music+industry+profile+mastering+engineer+greg+calbi Analogue is not always the solution. really enjoyed this video. very insightful on the mastering process. I spent some time at sterling last summer and I have to admit, I was one of the ones who just trusted the engineer. Now I actually have some real monitors at home and have started really listening and understanding how and what to listen to. (still suck at it, but I get it now)
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 23:21:24
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http://www.artistshousemusic.org/videos/music+industry+profile+mastering+engineer+greg+calbi Analogue is not always the solution. UnderTow interesting "conter-views" from Calbi I could have done without all the bragging dotted throughout though!  & would like to hear more about his technique with examples perhaps he's done a video... fascinating how he got his break by driving their truck & a UMass grad! wonder if he knew Dr J
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/12 23:28:37
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I was with him until he started talking about how this cable sounds really different from that cable.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 05:34:53
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Check this out. Babicz Mastering The raw track and the mastered track by Babicz
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 06:14:59
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LOL Dean. As you say he's talking about wires. Give me a break. After that I had to wonder what he really could teach me. Also I am not sure about some terms he used or in the context he used them.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 12:20:36
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ORIGINAL: bitflipper He looks a little young to be taking credit for inventing parallel compression! Yeah I noticed that too. It seems like the backbone of his mastering technique is to stack compressors and apply them in milder doses. Okee, that's pretty badass I reckon (if you've got gobs o' antique compressors) The fact he poo-poos multi-band compressors is interesting, since he's basically made a giant multi-band compressor out of his EQ and stacked units.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 12:58:13
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Very nice video. His words concerning mastering plugins were only directed to people who try to send him squashed "square-waveform" files." I only take files with dynamics left". And talking about parallel compression he did clearly mention that "this is what they use a lot in the americas." He did not say it's his idea.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 13:09:19
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ORIGINAL: John He is mastering for clubs thus I don't think he is getting the very best sound for an audiophile. but his target audience don't all have speaker stacks and 1-2k etc amps.. the music I am into , most is played in clubs. A lot still is pressed to vinyl and even then it has boundaries or else you get 1 very angry person who is the mastering engineer, the cutting tool for that isn't cheap. limiters on club PA's that will cut out to protect the speakers. so not good for a dj in the middle of a set if the speakers cut. Guess it depends on the dynamic of the music / genre. esp if it's something that uses a lot of sub bass, not everything does go that low. have to master for every situation really, club, headphones, radio / tv , bog standard hifi's. there has been a few tunes (not many) I've heard over the years that are impossible to master to vinyl, only to CD due to the dynamics of the frequencies in the tune.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 14:35:56
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Actually cables can affect the sound of analog gear. A couple of years ago by chance I used a different guitar cable and all of a sudden I thought someone had changed the settings on my amp. I checked them and they were the same, so I went out and bought 2 or 3 different brands just to check (Mogami, Monster, PLanet Waves and some others). In the end, as much as I don't like the way the company operates, I ended up getting the Monster Rock cables cause for some reason, to my ears, they color the sound of my Les Paul and my Strat with the effect chain and my eamp in a way that I really like. And mind you, the differences were not subtle. So I can see how cabling within the studio environment can make a difference. ORIGINAL: droddey I was with him until he started talking about how this cable sounds really different from that cable.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 14:41:38
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If a patch cable makes a huge difference, then it's broken. We are talking about very short runs generally, and of balanced runs with well defined characteristics for the connectors. Unless they are badly designed, they should make no difference. A guitar cable isn't exactly the same thing. It's unbalanced, and the ohmage might be different which can affect the loading on the pickups because there's probably no real standards for them, and the shielding might be better or worse, and the lengths can be considerably longer than patch cables.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 14:49:13
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ORIGINAL: nprime Everyone who is thinks they can use "mastering" plug-ins to make their mix sound better...please watch this video. http://www.vimeo.com/808485 The only German I know is, "Wavelab" sd
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 15:32:49
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In a large studio, cable runs are not necessairly short. A lot of pro studios have runs under the floor and these can be really long. Anyway...
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 15:55:37
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again i think that those who claim cables make no difference are funny folks - actually i guess you might be those who also claiming that a bad adda doesnt matter, a sucking pre is ok and a cheap guitar also can play music if you are good at it -- you must be real sticklers for detail  i wouldnt want anyone of you master a track - and btw. since babicz is surely earning some good cash with his work, his opinion is anyway more relevant than that of some old grey-studio-panthers here - who wouldnt have time to post their disdain for what THEY dont use/have/know/cant afford...if they had some seriuous business going on...
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 16:28:10
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Every single double blind test of esoteric cables vs. just plain good quality cables proves that you cannot hear the difference. You think you can, because it's so easy to hear when you know what you are listening to. But when put to the test, you won't hear the difference. It's been proven time and again. Do you believe it enough that you'd be willing to best $1000 that you can do it in a blind test? There was a recent one on AVSForum, where a guy with a super high end audio system claimed he could tell the difference, so the test was done and he gave up before it was even completed, because he knew that he couldn't hear any difference. He was good about it, and took it like a man. And I'm talking about VERY expensive cables. The fact is that any quality cable can get the signal from here to there just fine, and the esoteric cable business is just marketing mainly.
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