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2013/06/06 01:32:13 (permalink)

Rock Hard, Ride Free....


 
I think I hadn't listened to this one since the mid-late 80's. I've been listening to Judas Priest relatively regularly, but mostly 70's stuff - Sad Wings and such. 
 
But for the last couple of weeks, I've been wanting to listen to Electric Eye and the whole Screaming For Vengeance album - which I though was my favorite. While I was digging, I figured - let's dig out the twin and listen to Defenders - there's a few songs I liked if i remember correctly...
 
I had forgotten how much I loved that album! Screaming was great - and I love/prefer the way the drums sounded on it - but Defenders was frickin' monumental. That album is the Bible of 80's pre-Metallica/Slayer/Megadeth/Anthrax heavy metal. 
 
Then I remembered how we used to take Priest for granted. They were one of those older bands, they had a big label behind them - it was semi-normal that their albums sounded like a ton of brick. And they were old - guys in their 20s had been listening to them forever. We wanted our own bunch of bands.
 
But at that point, that's what we dug. Those big guitars, like the stuff on Defenders of the Faith or Scorpions' Love at First Sting. When all you had was a 3 inch speaker in an amp made of plastic, Scorpions and JP sounded like Cowboys From Hell or Ministry or whatever...
 
Anyway - what an amazing heavy metal album. I still love Sad Wings a heck of a lot, but Defenders is certainly one of my favorite 80s record all around. 

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/06 01:34:28 (permalink)
As for the cover art, well, feel free to discuss... LOL 

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/06 01:48:18 (permalink)
Under the right "influences" that artwork looks, well, ok, probably about the same.
 
(Good stuff though!  Hmm...  I may just have to listen to that album now!)

 
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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/06 01:58:30 (permalink)
I'm doing so myself - and I agree. Great record. There's that melancholy which seems to prevail even in the harder rocking songs. 
 
Now why do I want a Flying V and a SG?

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/06 02:07:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2013/06/06 02:16:26
This was mine.  Korina, just like my custom being built.  Nice and light!  Sold it a few years back - no need for it since they suck if you're not playing live.  The white parts near the bottom are just glare from the flash.
 


 
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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/06 02:15:46 (permalink)
Awww man, just as I was getting ready to buy them ;) - No longer available... I've been warming up to SG these days. Including the ESP variation, which they call Viper IIRC. Nice guitars. But back on topic...

Who the heck buys those things by the way, seriously? If you grew up a Judas Priest fan like me, there's just no way in heck you ended up successful enough to afford even just one of these - that's w/o the signature. You're probably still expected in detention after class... 
 
Who buys signature road worn guitars? 
 
Black and red - matches our palette, though... 


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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/06 02:24:57 (permalink)
My answer to the SG was to get a Les Paul Double-cut (which also has been sold, but all of my customs use this shape). I definitely did not take pictures that did the guitar justice - it looked much better in real life.  It especially pales next to my custom (called the Raspberry Twist due to the color and the Variax guts buried inside).
 
 
 

 
 

 
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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/06 02:30:14 (permalink)
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This was mine.  Korina, just like my custom being built.  Nice and light!  Sold it a few years back - no need for it since they suck if you're not playing live.  The white parts near the bottom are just glare from the flash.
 





Drool... :P
 
That being said, I've played a V, and, as you said, they're not all that comfortable - unless you're standing up.
 
One of the first guys to score the equivalent of a record deal in our little town had a V. They had a 7" out - man, what a riot! He bought his clothes from the same place Dave Murray did... Lycra pants and all. lol

If I remember correctly, his V was one out of 250. I remember playing that Flying V for hours on their patio - that Symptom of The Universe riff, which was pretty much all I knew.
 
The V was one of the very few non-Fender instruments in the house. The guy was a local star - a bit like our own version of your pal Craig Goldie I guess. His father was THE guitar guy 300 miles around. He fixed all our guitars, and had genuine 50's strats, a pedal steel, hollow bodies and all. They even had the cable, so we'd go there on weekends and watch Good Rockin Tonite hoping that they'd play ONE Mötley Crüe video or even just Brian Adams - his guitar player had a nice vibrato
 
 

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/06 02:38:56 (permalink)
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My answer to the SG was to get a Les Paul Double-cut (which also has been sold, but all of my customs use this shape). I definitely did not take pictures that did the guitar justice - it looked much better in real life.  It especially pales next to my custom (called the Raspberry Twist due to the color and the Variax guts buried inside).
 
 




I know how hard it is to really capture them and I think I can guess how nice.

Soooooooooo -  you mean you can afford the Variax AND the operation to put its guts in another guitar?

You know, one of my biggest heroes ever had his first Les Paul reworked because he wanted the double cutaway. Apparently, that's the same LP, as customized according to Ace's wish:
 

 
 
 

 
I'd still prefer to get a genuine SG.
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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/06 02:43:38 (permalink)
I used to be able to afford a lot.  At least before the banks took all my money (still waiting on one lawsuit for illegal seizure).  All told I lost about $820k, $651k from B of A alone.  Back then, spending $3,000 on a guitar didn't seem extravagant...

 
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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/06 03:13:52 (permalink)
Ok, we're on two entirely different levels. I barely dare call you friend. lol
 
For a worthless art-school drop-out like me, 40K a year was a huge achievement. They called me "business analyst" and all I had to do was to use my brains. Nothing complicated. The equivalent of lifting boxes, only, intellectually... What helped drag me out of the pit was that I could speak english. For whatever reason, the basic lessons we had in school worked for me. Most of my friends remember nothing but 3 words - Yes, No, Toaster...  I walked out of french school speaking english. Thanks rock music.
 
My wife comes from a similar background, but she knew what she was worth. In fact, no - IMHO, she should be earning 25 times as much as she is earning. But who am I to argue about that...
 
 

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/06 04:19:25 (permalink)
I love Judas Priest, brings back memories of those years I was heavily into this sort of music, performing, recording 'live' and as sole writer for the band I was in when I was just 17 yrs old.  It's funny, my nephew is into this similar sort of Heavy Metal stuff 'now' but more of a guttural vocal style.  

But Judas Priest has more depth and talent, quite astonishing even to this day --- all whilst today's music has lost it's popularity for a number of various reasons, one example; rehashing of old styles but not done as well and on the other side of style perspective; more cliche pop driven by super hyped marketing for which all this can be a real turn-off. {Meh} Let's play Halo (game) instead!! * What is needed now is totally fresh "innovative" material that is done right and won't bore listeners to death. 

BTW, Judas Priest -Defenders is totally awesome and still holds it ground even to this day and probably into the next century.... yeah up there in a space pod in the year 2086 traveling at warp speed when all of a sudden, the Defenders come on loud and clear over the ship-wide sound system in glorious awesome sound quality complete with giant holographic images of the band. 

 
 
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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/07 13:10:03 (permalink)
Now you're talking my language Krist 
 
I first saw Judas Priest (with Quiet Riot) in 1983 at the Birmingham Odeon, on the back end of the World Vengeance tour, and if my dim and distant memory isn't playing me tricks, they played Freewheel Burning and The Sentinel and Rob announced they were off their upcoming album.
 
Defenders of the Faith is a great album, there isn't a duff track on it, and I'd place it as my 3rd favourite Priest (studio) album after Painkiller (2), and the incomparable Sad Wings Of Destiny (#1). And on all their albums, I don't think Ian Hill's bass has ever sounded better.
 
I don't know if any of you Priest fans have come across it before, but this site - Judas Priest Info Pages - has an incredible amount of info about the band, including tour dates and venues. It hasn't been updated to included the last few albums because I believe the guy who put it all together sadly passed away a few years ago.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/07 13:42:35 (permalink)
I enjoyed three Priest albums last night (Defenders of the Faith, Screaming for Vengence and Turbo), but now feel the need for another trio today (Painkiller, Sad Wings of Destiny and Living After Midnight).  I actually listened to Tame Impala (three albums), After Forever (Remagine) and Al Stewart (Best Of) of all things last night as well.  Nothing like mixing up my genres, eh?
 
(Say, have you heard about the new terminally bland heavy metal band called MegaTesh?)

 
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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/07 13:50:55 (permalink)
I've been listening to the excellent new Megadeth album CD (Super Collider) in the car for the last couple of days, and the new Priest DVD/BluRay (recorded on the recent Epitaph tour) on the TV. Metal everywhere!!
 
Me and Sid Strummer saw them on the Epitaph tour at their 'home town' gig in nearby Wolverhampton, and the concept of them revisiting and playing at least one song from each of their studio album back catalogue (apart from the two CDs Tim 'Ripper' Owens featured on) was really well thought out and certainly delivered the goods.
 
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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/07 13:58:04 (permalink)
And if anyone's interested, my top 10 list of Priest studio albums in order of preference:
  1. Sad Wings Of Destiny
  2. Painkiller
  3. Defenders Of The Faith
  4. Sin After Sin
  5. Screaming For Vengeance
  6. Angel Of Retribution
  7. Killing Machine (aka Hell Bent For Leather in the US)
  8. Stained Class
  9. British Steel
  10. Ram It Down

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/07 14:50:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2013/06/07 18:07:38
Flying V's are a lot like KFC. Visually appealing and tempting, but once you have it you wonder what you were thinking.

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/07 18:07:11 (permalink)
Seems like I have plenty of catching up to do. The most recent album by them I've listened to/owned is Turbo. I'm vaguely familiar w/ Painkiller, which my wife adores. But mostly after Turbo I started getting into older stuff, The Beatles and all. 
 
And that's the thing - you get into the Beatles and those band and a lot of the music you used to listen to start sounding a bit juvenile and not necessarily all that well-written, performed or produced. Since I had not listened to Defenders in all those years, I figured that I'd enjoy it on the basis of nostalgia. You know how often you listen to old albums you dug as a kid and you: man, that is bad! lol 
 
But Defenders is the exact opposite. It was a great record.
 
Sad Wings remains my favorite, but re-listening to Defenders certainly got me interested in catching up w/ Priest again.

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/07 18:10:32 (permalink)
I used to work less than a half-mile from home so, during lunch hours and the occasional after-work affair, we used to come to my place and take over the studio for awhile.  One of the songs we would always include was Priest's version of Peter Green's song Green Manalishi - loved that one!

 
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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/07 18:17:11 (permalink)
Green Manalishi, by Priest - that's one of the first songs I've learned on the electric guitar. Well, the basic riff. That's one of those ones, like The Zoo by Scorpions or Symptom of the Universe which you could play for hours... lol

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/07 18:28:38 (permalink)
Oooo...  Rain's upgraded the thread with some Scorps and Sabbath!  I used to play both Animal Magnetism and Love Drive from start to finish and (attempt) to play along to each song.  For some reason, I rarely ever heard much Black Sabbath back then - stupid radio stations...

 
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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/07 19:11:40 (permalink)
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As for the cover art, well, feel free to discuss... LOL 




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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/07 19:44:58 (permalink)
 
How about some good old fashioned, wholesome, home-made VeRy MeTaL style Living After Midnight

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/07 23:45:21 (permalink)
That's a rocking cover! :)

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/08 08:45:53 (permalink)
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That's a rocking cover! :)



Thanks Krist
 
Incidentally, that cover was the first tune I ever did using MIDI drums (courtesy of EZ Drummer), after only having ever used audio loops. I'd just moved up to SONAR Home Studio 6 after having previously used Cakewalk's Guitar Tracks versions 2, Pro2 & Pro3, none of which supported MIDI, and it was an epiphany moment for me for sure.
 
My pal Troy has a great voice, he does an excellent Rob, Joe Strummer and Johnny Rotten, which suits me (the karaoke) down to the ground. Coincidentally, I was tracking the guitars for our revamped version of Breaking The Law yesterday evening - reading and contributing to this thread certainly put me in the mood for dropping into the Priest groove.
 
And here's another Defenders Of The Faith trivia titbit - the song "Jawbreaker" has nothing to do with receiving a 'punch' in the mouth
 
 

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/09 01:01:40 (permalink)
Aw man, Jawbreaker was one of my favorite... lol 
 
I've spent quite a bit of time reading on that site you linked earlier in that thread. Really cool. I'm definitely going through a Judas Priest phase right now.
 
I've started dabbling w/ MIDI back in the days of Pro Audio but never actually had a real drums plug-in before EZ Drummer a couple of years ago. I received a lite version w/ Studio One at a bargain price and once I finally bothered to install it, it totally changed the way I work. Before that I'd mix and match samples and create 4 or 8 bar loop, then fills, and then mix and match - it's take me forever just to put a basic track together. 
 
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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/11 04:42:07 (permalink)
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And if anyone's interested, my top 10 list of Priest studio albums in order of preference:
  1. Sad Wings Of Destiny
  2. Painkiller
  3. Defenders Of The Faith
  4. Sin After Sin
  5. Screaming For Vengeance
  6. Angel Of Retribution
  7. Killing Machine (aka Hell Bent For Leather in the US)
  8. Stained Class
  9. British Steel
  10. Ram It Down




So I figured you know a thing or two about them :P and based on your list I just picked Painkiller. I guess that'll leave Angel of Retribution and Ram it Down for the next purchases.
 
I have no idea what the more recent albums sound like.
 
After Turbo - which I dug for a while but which didn't age all that well - when Ram It Down came out, I sort of assumed that it was more of the same and that my days as a Priest fan were behind. Maybe Johnny B. Goode wasn't the best idea for a single, either.
 
I see Nostradamus didn't make it into your list - any particular reason?
 
I'd have a tough time making my own top 10. Sad Wings holds a very special place for me, even if I didn't hear it until years later.
 
Screaming and Defender I just can't get tired of these days. The material on Defender has the edge but Screaming still has an awesome bunch of songs and I prefer the production. Stained Class, Sin After Sin and Killing Machine would all be pretty close too. And British Steel, well, what can I say... I think Grinder must be one of the first Priest songs I learned - right after the obvious Breaking the Law, and, for some strange reason, a very simplified version of Desert Plains.
 
 
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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/11 20:08:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2013/06/11 23:48:58
Rain
So I figured you know a thing or two about them :P
 

 
LOL, some would say that Krist
 
 
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... and based on your list I just picked Painkiller. I guess that'll leave Angel of Retribution and Ram it Down for the next purchases.
 

 
Painkiller is a great choice. In my opinion, it's almost the perfect metal record, and it still stands up today - to me that's always a sign of a classic album. I think what really makes it stand out is though is that it's the first record they made with Scott Travis on drums. He is just so much better than Dave Holland, and it really shows in contrast to the albums Holland played on.
 
Ram It Down is a cracking album too, but more of 'its time' than Painkiller. Although it's dated better than the synth-laden stuff on Turbo, it still screams "Hair Metal" - albeit still sounding like a Priest album. Check out the awesome guitar solo in the title track - Ram It Down     Incidentally, for the Epitaph tour, they chose Blood Red Skies as the track from this album they included in the set.
 
I have to agree with you completely about Johnny B Goode - that's up (down?) there, along with Metallica's massacre of (Thin Lizzy's version of) Whiskey In The Jar, as one of the worst cover songs ever    Incidentally, if you want to hear a truly wonderful cover of a Thin Lizzy song, check out Megadeth's awesome version of Cold Sweat from their new CD - Super Collider.
 
As far as Angel Of Retribution goes, I think it was always going to be special as the first album the band recorded after Rob Halford rejoined the band nearly 15 years after he left to pursue his solo career. It certainly doesn't disappoint, and with Halford back on the team, the quality of the songwriting is noticeably of a much higher quality than the rather one-dimensional tracks penned by Downing and Tipton on the two albums (Jugulator & Demolition) they recorded without him.
 
Standouts for me on Angel Of Retribution are the autobiographical Deal With The Devil, the hauntingly beautiful Angel, and Worth Fighting For.
 
As if to emphasize the band's reunion and link it to its past, there are a lot of references to titles from their back catalogue in the lyrics of most of the songs.
 
 
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I see Nostradamus didn't make it into your list - any particular reason?
 

 
Don't get me wrong Krist, it's a very good (double) album, but even as a concept, for me it's just too long. Every 'real' song is joined to the next by orchestrated 'fillers'. It works, but I think they could have trimmed all the fat away and comfortably fitted all the good stuff onto one disc.
 
 
Rain
 
I'd have a tough time making my own top 10. Sad Wings holds a very special place for me, even if I didn't hear it until years later.
 

 
I still have the LP
 
By the way, a new remastered CD version of the album was released a year or so back, and whoever did it made a great job. It's really faithful to the LP, as opposed to the previous CD release which Gull records released without the band's approval to try and cash in. A recent accompanying re-release of Rocka Rolla is also available. In either case, I don't know if either of these updated remasters were sanctioned or not, although it's not Gull who published them.
 
 
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Screaming and Defender I just can't get tired of these days. The material on Defender has the edge but Screaming still has an awesome bunch of songs and I prefer the production. Stained Class, Sin After Sin and Killing Machine would all be pretty close too. And British Steel, well, what can I say... I think Grinder must be one of the first Priest songs I learned - right after the obvious Breaking the Law, and, for some strange reason, a very simplified version of Desert Plains.

 
Me and my old pal Sid Strummer (bass and vocals) have been jamming Priest songs for over 30 years now! Not as regular as when we were younger, but we have nicer gear now   No doubt you recall the pic of me I recently posted of me posing with the black LP copy
 
Here's a photocopy of the Priest section of our (extremely tatty) 'set list':
 

 
Sadly, although I can hack my way through these on rhythm guitar, my technical ability (or rather. lack of it ) means that I come up a bit short in the solo spots. Still, it's great fun when we get the chance.
 
If you're up for a few more suggestions, I'd heartily recommend you get yourself Halford's Resurrection. If anything, it's a little heavier than Priest, but it's a great record which hasn't got a duff song on it. One of my favourite tracks of all time is the wonderfully menacing Twist from this very album - written, coincidentally, not by Rob, but by Bob Halligan Jnr, who also wrote Some Heads Are Gonna Roll from Defenders of The Faith!
 
Also worth a listen is Halford's double live CD Live Insurrection - as well as a 'best of' selection from his 'Halford' albums and from his previous incarnation as 'Fight', there's also a slew of Priest classics on there as well (including the wonderful Tyrant, sadly lacking from JP set-lists since Unleashed In The East).
 
Finally, and worth getting for the guitar work alone (as well as for Billy Sheehan's bass work on some of the tracks), is Glenn Tipton's first solo project Baptizm Of Fire - check out the awesome mostly-instrumental title track HERE (with Sheehan on bass). His singing is pretty dire in places on this album I must admit, but it doesn't detract too much from the whole. I think Tipton's guitar work has been criminally under-rated over the years, I suppose it's a common denominator type association with the much technically inferior KK that's seen him overlooked individually.
 
It will be interesting to see what the upcoming Priest album will be like, especially now Downing has been replaced by 'young' Ritchie Faulkner - his talent is more akin to Glenn's, and they've said he is involved with the songwriting, so it should be worth waiting for.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/12 00:07:09 (permalink)
Thanks a million, Steve - looks like I have plenty of listening and catching up to do.
 
I'm an album type of guy so I almost feel robbed of something when a band puts out an album that's so long that I can't enjoy it in one sitting or w/o losing focus. Knowing that, I'll try to find a way to make the best out of Nostradamus, but I perfectly understand why it didn't show on your list.
 
I watched a preview of their Epitaph DVD last night - not knowing when it was filmed it took me a few seconds to realize that that blonde guy was not a suspiciously young looking KK. He seemed to do a good job, though. I'll probably grab that DVD and the upcoming album.
 
Incidentally, I read last night that Tipton had a few solo albums and I'm anxious to hear that stuff if you recommend it. I've always enjoyed his playing in Priest.
 
Anyway, thanks again!

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Re: Rock Hard, Ride Free.... 2013/06/12 04:31:51 (permalink)
Looks like you guys have been having some fun.  Maybe tomorrow will have to be another JP day for me...
 
Until then, have you ever heard THIS GUY?

 
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