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Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
Hi y'all It seems the Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 has been discontinued and was being blown-out at discounted prices (but no more?). There does not at this time seem to be a Roland / Edirol replacement for it although a showing at Winter NAMM 2014 may prove otherwise. The new Behringer Motor 61 looks promising however it's not available until spring / summer and it is semi-weighted (although by how much is unknown thus it might still be a contender) http://www.behringer.com/EN/products/MOTOR-61.aspx The new-ish Axiom Air 61 looks OK I guess, but the reviews I have read so far are mixed, in part because the support software is underdeveloped, and in part because Axiom keyboard controllers often get reviews of very average build quality http://m-audio.com/produc..n_us/AxiomAIR61New.html The Akai MPK61 looks promising and the reviews are generally quite favourable, however the reviews mention that the semi-weighted key-bed requires a rather firm touch (I do not have any allegiance to piano-style action) and the pads sometimes get mixed reviews (but can be modded) http://www.akaipro.com/product/mpk61 I am using a Roland XP-50 in the interim, but it's not really doing it for me as it's not a modern dedicated keyboard controller. So, I am looking for a non-weighted (or very lightly weighted) modern dedicated keyboard controller that can seamlessly and quickly integrate with Sonar X3, but there does not seem to be one that meets my criteria as referenced. Does anyone know if the Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 can still be found for the blown-out discounted pricing? Might y'all have other recommendations for a non-weighted (or very lightly weighted) modern dedicated keyboard controller that can seamlessly and quickly integrate with Sonar X3? I am not overly inclined to have a weighted or semi-weighted key-bed, and it needs to include faders and/or rotary encoders and pads. Polyphonic after-touch and after-touch on the pads would be a bonus (the new Behringer Motor 61 has motorized faders plus after-touch on the pads...pretty slick!) I am not wanting to spend a bunch of cash on it however, as modern dedicated keyboard controllers are really one-trick-ponies given they produce no sound of their own, so my budget would be $500 maximum. I am not interested in getting another older synth as a keyboard controller as I already have the Roland XP50. Obliged for your input!
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/24 06:46:13
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/24 07:59:38
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That seems like a good deal for the Roland. I am intrigued by the Behringer Motor 61, and look forward to checking it out. I will be replacing one of my current controllers later this Spring or early Summer. Bob Bone
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/24 13:33:48
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Thank you kind posters, perhaps my local music store has its wires crossed and maybe Winter NAMM 2014 will shed some light on the subject. I could I guess continue with my XP-50 and take a wait and see perspective with the new Behringer Motor 61 versus the Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800. $292 from Musician's Friend: I can't get that good a total pricing delivered to my door, actually not even close due to brokerage fees, exchange rates, international delivery charges, etc. as I live in Canada.
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/24 15:51:16
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I have an Akai Pro MPK 88, which is fully weighted. Don't know about the 61 key version, but I am very happy with the build quality of the MPK 88. The software to program the pads and controls is very easy to use and ACT setup in Sonar was straightforward. I picked it up before the holidays for about $550 US. I like having the 88 keys for working with VSTs that use key switching (like Kontakt instruments often do). But the keys are really weighted so if you are interested in the Akai MPK61 it would probably be a good idea to try it in store if at all possible.
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/24 18:23:36
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I have had the Edirol PCR-800 since they first came out and have no issues with it. When my friend went to get a similar product last year, he instead bought the Akai 61 counterpart and he loves it. I couple my PCR800 with a Studiologic 88 key weighted keys (which I use for pianos, and for keyswitching like the previous post). Even if the PCR800 is discountinued, Roland has drivers for Win 8 and Win 7 64bit; so you should be okay with it for a while.
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/24 20:17:03
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DRanck I have an Akai Pro MPK 88, which is fully weighted. Don't know about the 61 key version, but I am very happy with the build quality of the MPK 88. The software to program the pads and controls is very easy to use and ACT setup in Sonar was straightforward. I picked it up before the holidays for about $550 US. I like having the 88 keys for working with VSTs that use key switching (like Kontakt instruments often do). But the keys are really weighted so if you are interested in the Akai MPK61 it would probably be a good idea to try it in store if at all possible.
Thanks for the thoughtfulness DRanck, as I mentioned in my first post, the Akai MPK61 looks promising and the reviews are generally quite favourable, however the reviews mention that the semi-weighted key-bed requires a rather firm touch (I do not have any allegiance to piano-style action) and the pads sometimes get mixed reviews (but can be modded) http://www.akaipro.com/product. As I'm not wanting a semi-weighted firm touch key-bed (let alone fully weighted) the MPK series is likely a no-go for me.
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/24 20:23:47
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cecelius2 I have had the Edirol PCR-800 since they first came out and have no issues with it. When my friend went to get a similar product last year, he instead bought the Akai 61 counterpart and he loves it. I couple my PCR800 with a Studiologic 88 key weighted keys (which I use for pianos, and for keyswitching like the previous post). Even if the PCR800 is discontinued, Roland has drivers for Win 8 and Win 7 64bit; so you should be okay with it for a while.
Obliged for your input, could you expand on what you mean by "key switching"? Do you mean octave transposition perhaps and thus that's why the 88 keys with Kontact? I have given thought to two keyboard controllers, one 61 and one 88. My hesitation in this regard is that I am a guitarist / singer / ITB programmer more than I am a two-handed traditional keyboardist, plus I do not have any allegiance to piano-style action as a requirement to my playing with expression (even though I spent a number of formative years on conventional piano)
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/24 20:25:13
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Have you looked into the Novation Launchkey series? They are pretty nice, the keys are synth weighted, and the price is decent. Plus you get a copy of Live Lite, Bass Station and V-Station with it. The 61 key is $250. Not a bad deal for the price. http://global.novationmus...-controllers/launchkey
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/24 23:00:53
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I hope the A-800Pro is not discontinued as it's at the top of my list for future purchases, and has been for a while, just not right now. Unless Roland comes out with a similar successor, which would be fine by me.
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/25 03:04:25
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Chumer Obliged for your input, could you expand on what you mean by "key switching"? Do you mean octave transposition perhaps and thus that's why the 88 keys with Kontact?
Key switching is used by some Kontakt libraries and instruments to change the articulations or variations of that instrument. Some instruments might use a designate key to change to a different instrument or setting. Often the lower octaves (or the highest octaves) are used for these keyswitches. On a 61 note keyboard, the keyswitchs might be too low of an octave to be selected. Take a look at the link to Native Instruments' video tutorial on Action Strings and you will see some keys shaded pink; these are the keys used for keyswitching on that instrument; the blue keys are the ones used to play the instrument; see this: http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/orchestral-cinematic/action-strings/?content=2463 or see this video that shows keyswtiches [in pink] on the Scarbee PreBass : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-F8PbLE1CE . [around 4:50 in this video] Just type "keyswitching kontakt" in the youtube search box and it will show numerous videos on the use of keyswitching. Hope this helps.
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/25 13:18:38
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What cecelius2 said about key switching. Changing to an 88 key controller has made my like much easier. Well my life in Sonar / Kontakt anyway! - Dave
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/25 17:35:00
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Very much thanks for the info on key-switching kind posters! I have used variations of that idea to have one key trigger a particular loop or sequence. I was not aware that Sonar (I own) and Kontact (I may purchase but do not own) would be hindered by a 61 note keyboard controller. I now understand why Kontact could be hindered by not have extra unused octaves for triggering, but why would Sonar be hindered with a 61 note keyboard controller versus an 88 assuming that I have the following configuration: Sonar X3 (I own) Acer T232HL 23" touch-screen to lie horizontally (I own) Two 27" LCD's for general viewing (I own) Wireless computer keyboard & mouse (I own) Roland A-800 Pro (I may purchase but do not own) Behringer BCR2000 (I may purchase but do not own)
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/26 04:20:12
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Chumer Very much thanks for the info on key-switching kind posters! I have used variations of that idea to have one key trigger a particular loop or sequence. I was not aware that Sonar (I own) and Kontact (I may purchase but do not own) would be hindered by a 61 note keyboard controller. I now understand why Kontact could be hindered by not have extra unused octaves for triggering, but why would Sonar be hindered with a 61 note keyboard controller versus an 88 assuming that I have the following configuration: Sonar X3 (I own) Acer T232HL 23" touch-screen to lie horizontally (I own) Two 27" LCD's for general viewing (I own) Wireless computer keyboard & mouse (I own) Roland A-800 Pro (I may purchase but do not own) Behringer BCR2000 (I may purchase but do not own)
I don't think that Sonar is limited by a 61 note controller. Rather it means you only have 61 keys available to play; Kontakt has advanced scripting that allows for keyswitches to be assigned to any key. Most sample libraries assign keyswitches to the octaves that are not usually used by that instrument's normal range. So for example, a violin would not normally use the lowest octaves; developers would then utilize those lowest octaves for keyswitches so they could switch between staccato and tremelo, half-step trills.... For example, Kirk Hunter's Diamond Orchestra uses these keyswitches: Violins, Violas and Cellos:C0 - Slow (slo)C#0 - Marcato Sustain (mrc)D0 - Softer Attack Marcato Sustain (leg)D#0 - Velocity adds Attack (vmc)E0 - ****cato, short notes (spc)F0 - Pizzicato (pzz)F#0 - Tremolo (trm)G0 - Half Step Trills (trh)G#0 - Whole Step Trills (trw)A0 - Section Slides (sld) (1st Violins, 24 Violins, Violas and Cellos only)A#0 - Sfortzando (sfz) This is a convenience and feature available in Kontakt for that Diamond Library that I have cited. Having 88 keys just is a luxury that allows access to these keyswtiches. Sonar is a great, a fantastic DAW, which allows you to use many (probably all) midi keyboards. It is your choice to use 49, 61 76 or 88 keys. I tend to use my 61 key controller to play most instruments, but have the 88 key controller available when the Kontakt library would benefit from it or when I want to play piano vsti instruments. Again, I hope this helps. I think you will find these forums to be populated by musicians, recording engineers and enthusiast who genuinely want to help others. I myself have learned much from others here. Hopefully others will offer some words of experience and advice. Good luck and keep us posted on your choices and journey.
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/26 11:55:16
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Hello cecelius2, I am obliged, the additional particulars and kind words are a benefit!
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Re: Roland A-800PRO / Edirol PCR-800 discontinued, help!
2014/01/26 18:31:55
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SF_Green Have you looked into the Novation Launchkey series? They are pretty nice, the keys are synth weighted, and the price is decent. Plus you get a copy of Live Lite, Bass Station and V-Station with it. The 61 key is $250. Not a bad deal for the price. http://global.novationmus...-controllers/launchkey
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