Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ?

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2012/01/05 09:09:46 (permalink)

Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ?

I've just begun to explore the incorporation of soft synths into my recordings. I am debating the pros/cons of purchasing either:
While I have no experience with either, I'm guessing that the Roland controller should interact well with Cakewalk software. The negative, if I'm correct, is that this unit must be hooked up to the computer to make sounds.
 
I'm not sure about the compatability of the Yamaha and Cakewalk, but the keyboard could be used independently of the PC for writing/experimenting with song ideas.
 
So I'm asking any of you with experience with one or both of these devices, what are the pros and cons of going one route vs. the other?

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    I Am The Quarry
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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/05 11:04:46 (permalink)
    Rusty - I use the Yamaha with Sonar X1C on Windows 7.
     
    No midi ports - transmits the midi over usb. Win 7 drivers on the CD it ships with, plus a newer version on the Yamaha website I believe. Never have any issues with it.
     
    In terms of playability - I find it much better than similarly priced midi controllers from EMU etc - but have not used the Roland.
     
    And yes - using it independantly from the PC is a plus.  Some nice onboard sounds that can be used via line out also......

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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/05 12:03:57 (permalink)
    Thanks for the reply.

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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/05 12:16:19 (permalink)
    Rusty,
    This is more money, but the transport controls are handy.
    I have the one marked "Cakewalk", but its the same keyboard.

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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/05 12:21:16 (permalink)
    these are 2 completely different products

    1 is a midi controller the other a synth station

    the midi controller can only control sounds inside your system
    the yamaha is standalone (and not a very good one at that)
    compared to say the Yamaha MO6 or even MM6 or of course Motif

    the Roland is a decent midi controller and one of the better in that price range
    if you are a piano player neither will make you happy

    for triggering sounds inside the computer the Roland is a better option
    its a shame Yamaha stopped making the KX series as they were by far the best in that price range

    CME is another to look at as is Novation but they are more $

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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/05 13:11:33 (permalink)
    I can play piano but guitar is my primary instrument. I am working on a project creating soundtracks and sound effects for a small company that does video games/phone apps. The "songs" I am creating are really glorified Groove clips, maybe 20-30 seconds in duration and loopable. All I want to do is be able to add, for example,some short cello or synth riffs to some of these songs. I am leaning towards the keyboard because it would appear to give me the added flexibility of being able to compose on it from anywhere (assuming I'm on battery power) whereas the controller is just that, a controller and nothing more.  Am I incorrect in assuming that so long as the keyboard is recognized by Sonar as a Midi device, it will accomplish the task of allowing me to play simple riffs in the soft synth and record them?

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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/06 05:51:50 (permalink)
    Am I incorrect in assuming that so long as the keyboard is recognized by Sonar as a Midi device, it will accomplish the task of allowing me to play simple riffs in the soft synth and record them?

     
    No, you are correct. The Yamaha will do this without issue.
     
     

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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/06 10:02:33 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone for the feedback. It is much appreciated.

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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/06 12:24:29 (permalink)
    I would recommend a good combo controller / surface. If you play piano, you might be looking for an 88 weighted key controller. I have an old M-audio Radium controller which does both. It's a great synth action keyboard, but I've been pricing 88 weighted keyboard controllers. So far, I've found that the Casio Privia's are great for the price. I just haven't been able to justify the cost for one yet.

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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/06 15:28:04 (permalink)
    I own a similar version of the Roland and what I DO like is it takes up very little space. My Son just bought the Yamaha ( not sure if its exactly the same but very close)  it is very cool to play around with millions of sounds and automated do- dads, But it is way to big to fit in my workstation. Both have the same cheap plastic feel which is all you need for what you will be doing. Waste of money to get a weighted keyboard if your not a real piano player. A controller is all you need if you never unplug it from your recording gear. The do- dads are a distraction in a way.
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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/06 16:06:25 (permalink)
    Obviously, perhaps you ought to look at the back of the Yamaha.
    It does not have a MIDI Out, or anything MIDI anything, just the phones jack!
    How you plan to use MIDI to do any soft synth work?
    Most of those keyboards are that way with built-in speakers.

    Not a Midi anything with the Yamahog.

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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/06 17:23:40 (permalink)
    I checked on line and this particular model does support usb-midi, but chances are it's not a velocity sensing keyboard. Check the M-audio line of controllers. They seem to be the most popular for the price.

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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/09 06:05:42 (permalink)
    Velocity sensing is refered to as 'Touch Response' on the Yamaha.

    Can be turned on or off depending on how you want to play it. Three different settings to try when turned on.

    I hadn't considered size. Sock Monkey is correct  - this is a pretty big unit, so if space is an issue OP may want to review specs below.

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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/09 17:19:28 (permalink)
    I'm in an almost identical position as the OP, and also appreciate the advice given here. My question: to record the onboard sounds of the Yamaha in SONAR, do you need to use a separate line-out connection, or would the USB hookup be utilized for this as well? Or is that ONLY for MIDI?
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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/10 10:33:20 (permalink)
    dimelives - I ended up ordering the Yamaha keyboard from Sweetwater. The USB cable is for the MIDI function only. To record the keyboard sounds I'm using a stereo out cable from the headphone jack on keyboard into the stereo inputs on my Sapphire 6.

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    Re:Roland MIDI controller or Yamaha keyboard w/MIDI ? 2012/01/10 13:40:54 (permalink)
    I was wrong about that midi stuff. Even though I got a USB on my synth I suppose I ought to read the manual to see what that really does. I do also have midi in and out on my synth.
    Might help to ask questions though to make sure.

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