Room acoustic treatments vs room correction plug-ins

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Re:Room acoustic treatments vs room correction plug-ins 2011/07/28 08:24:48 (permalink)

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  1. Your room isn't big enough for full on bass trapping, so try to arrange it so you have a sofa or other soft furnishings strategically placed, especially the rear wall
Build - fit - measure - test - move

This is an iterative process, hopefully each iteration will get you closer to your goal.


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D) Bass traps are difficult to implement properly, nearly impossible in a small room. It is possible to spend a lot of money and effort and still not have effective traps. It is also possible to cause more problems than you solve. Not that you shouldn't employ them, just be prepared for some frustration and don't expect them to solve all your problems.

       
Can I pull your brains regarding room size?

Above quotes refer to the room being too small. I would have an almost double sized room available (unfortunately without this cozy floor heating, that's why I didn't use it in the first place) and would consider moving before starting the "measure, test, move/build" cycle ...

The exact dimensions of the current room are 4.8 x 3.8 x 2.4m, while the larger would be 7.3 x 4.8 x 2.4m, but I'm not sure if it's shape is a disadvantage as there is a part of load-bearing wall extending 1.8m into room, about 1/3 up the long wall size (see sketch below), which I don't know what to do about ...

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What are you guys thinking? Is it worth moving? Any ideas/suggestions on how to arrange the large room?



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Re:Room acoustic treatments vs room correction plug-ins 2011/07/28 08:32:13 (permalink)
My first thought is that you MIGHT have enough room there to construct, albeit on a smallish scale, a separate Control Room & Live Room, or maybe a separate Recording/Control Room + Isolation Booth

This of course depends on your own situation with regards recording and what you ultimately want out of the space.

It might be worth posting your ideas & thoughts up on here.



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Re:Room acoustic treatments vs room correction plug-ins 2011/07/28 08:49:44 (permalink)
Thanks, Colin, for directing me to this link. This looks like a tremendous source for new information! I can see a real fun time coming up, lots of stuff to learn ... and explain to my wife what that all may be good for ....

I will stop bugging guys 'round here with non Sonar related questions, though further comments on this subject are always welcome !



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Re:Room acoustic treatments vs room correction plug-ins 2011/07/28 09:09:14 (permalink)
No problem mate - I've been browsing the John Sayers site even before I was a Sonar user.

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Re:Room acoustic treatments vs room correction plug-ins 2011/07/28 10:31:31 (permalink)
With recording, it's always best to start at the source.  In this case, the room.
 
As was mentioned, move the speakers (your listening position) as far away from the walls as possible.
That'll help a great deal.
 
Essentially, you're looking to damp and diffuse reflections.
Since it sounds like the room is essentially empty (other than your gear), consider adding some large/soft furniture.  A nice over-stuffed Sofa or Futon... and a couple of similar chairs (strategically placed) will make the room more comfortable for guests... and also tame excess ambience.
Normal household items (like bookshelves filled with books of different sizes) can make good sound "diffusers".  Add some of these types of things to the studio area.
Use normal creature comforts (creatively) to make the space comfortable... and more acoustically pleasing.  Once you've done this, if the room acoustics still need improvement, it's time to consider specific acoustic treatment.  It's amazing how far you can get using "normal" items.

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Re:Room acoustic treatments vs room correction plug-ins 2011/07/28 11:15:42 (permalink)

The exact dimensions of the current room are 4.8 x 3.8 x 2.4m, while the larger would be 7.3 x 4.8 x 2.4m


I's say go for the larger space.

Larger is almost always better, unless the larger room happens to have unfortunate dimensions that result in overlapping modes. Both of these rooms feature some bad ratios (4.8m and 2.4m having a 2:1 ratio, resulting in reinforced resonances), and neither of them come close to any of the so-called "golden" ratios. In terms of resonance distribution, one does not stand out as being significantly better or worse than the other.

In the big room you are going to have issues at 70Hz and its multiples. In the small room, it'll be 180Hz and its multiples. Take your pick. But in the larger room you'll have more space for bass traps.

P.S. Download a copy of Ethan Winer's mode calculator and plug in your room dimensions to get an idea where your problem resonances are going to be.
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Re:Room acoustic treatments vs room correction plug-ins 2011/07/28 11:18:55 (permalink)
I'm using a combination of acoustic treatment (4 gik tritraps, auralex panels) along with the ARC plugin in the control room. The control room isn't as large as I'd like but I've not had any issues with the song transfering as I want when I've taken it to mastering houses. I set up an ARC bus in sonar and route the master bus to this before it goes to the main outputs in sonar (when I bounce the audio to a stereo file I never have the issue of turning it off or forgetting about it).

Given a choice I'd always choose acoustic treatment over the correction software but it can help a treated room.

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Re:Room acoustic treatments vs room correction plug-ins 2011/07/28 11:42:37 (permalink)
Here's a less-expensive alternative to ARC: take the measurements yourself and use a hardware parametric equalizer to mitigate the worst peaks at the mix position.

I use an inexpensive EQ, a Behringer FBQ2496. It's marketed as a feedback suppressor for live sound, but it's actually a 20-band parametric that can be precisely configured. Because it's an outboard device between my interface and powered speakers, there is no CPU overhead and it can never affect my file exports. I don't remember exactly what I paid for it, but it was a fraction of the cost of ARC.


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