whack
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Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
Hi, I have an edirol UA4Fx usb interface which has one output volume control (same volume for monitors and headphones), I would like to be able to switch off the monitors in sonar and just use the headphones, for instance when I want to record an instrument and dont want to get bleeding from the monitors. Can anyone tell me if this can be done? or how is done in sonar? Thanks, Cian
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/20 11:28:59
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Are they active monitors? Can't you switch them off? Don't the loudspeaker go silent when you connect headphones? I don't think SONAR has anything to do with it, because SONAR can't create a new volume knob for your UA4. The routing to either loudspeakers or headphones should be done in UA4s control panel. In case you use other than ASIO drivers you can enable several soundcards at a time, which at least theoretically makes it possible to connect the headphones directly to the PCs own headphone output and turn down the monitor-volume of UA4.
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/20 14:51:17
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Yes they are active and yes I can just turn them off but Id rather not have to get out of my seat and have to switch both off everytime I want to just use headphones (Id prefere to just to press mute in SONAR if it could be done), id rather not also have to unplug the wires from the ua4fx either for the monitors each time.No the output goes through both the headphones and monitors,one doesn't cancel the other for this soundcard. Yea, there is nothing in the ua4fx control panel to do that so im guessing that it can't be done. Well dont people route different signals to the headphones when people are recording, how do you do that in SONAR anyway if you HAD an interface with two volumes, I presume that SONAR would recognise that the soundcard had 2 outputs then anyway and you would then route your headphone bus to that output. Thanks for you response.
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/21 00:15:36
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Everything I read in the UA4's manual just now seems to indicate that all sound is always sent to both the headphone and audio outputs; they're not individually selectable. I have my interface connected to a stereo amp, with remote. I just turn off the stereo when I record audio.
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/21 03:17:57
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I use E-MU 1820. In that one it works so that I can send individual tracks to different channel strips of the soundcard, but there's no way SONAR can control which physical output is chosen. I can then make a separate headphone mix with E-MUs Patchmix software. I don't know how many different implementations of this can be found in different brands os soundcards. The only option I can think of for you with that soundcard is taking the power to the loudspeakers from a lead with a switch. Then you can just switch the power off when you want and keep the switch within your reach.
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/21 08:20:39
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Unfortunately the Edirol routes both the line outs and the headphones through the same output volume control. This is not a Sonar issue. Perhaps you should have gotten a mixer or a better soundcard.
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/21 08:27:02
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Thanks all,looks like I could do with a new interface too could do with another input also. Cian
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/21 09:14:24
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I use a 2 bus mixer for output. I run the soundcard to my mixer, output the mains to the speakers and the aux bus to the headphone amp. all I have to do is press a couple of buttons on the mixer to switch on the headphones and switch off the speakers.
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/21 15:00:17
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I've got similar problems using a UA-4FX through HS7XL. I've been frustrated having to switch back and forth to listen to playback (plug into laptop), or listen to guitar track (if plugged into laptop = latency I can't find a cure for). To record a guitar track i have to have rythmn tracks playing out of the laptop speakers but listen through the UA-4FX with one ear. How the heck does one get to even listen straight though the laptop effectively? I must have a sub-par soundcard or something. I'm wondering if we both have a similar problem?
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/21 17:19:31
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Roy Munson I've got similar problems using a UA-4FX through HS7XL. I've been frustrated having to switch back and forth to listen to playback (plug into laptop), or listen to guitar track (if plugged into laptop = latency I can't find a cure for). To record a guitar track i have to have rythmn tracks playing out of the laptop speakers but listen through the UA-4FX with one ear. How the heck does one get to even listen straight though the laptop effectively? I must have a sub-par soundcard or something. I'm wondering if we both have a similar problem? What drivers are you using, what are your PC specs, what is your latency set to....If you are using your laptops soundchip together with UA4 there's already a potential mess. UA4 is not a sub-par soundcard, but as made clear in this thread, you can't control the headphones and loudspeakers separately with it. The onboard chip is not up to the task, so you should not use it with SONAR.
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/21 18:23:46
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Roy, I seem to be running pretty stable with UA4Fx with HS6XL, I use ASIO driver, (recommend turning off internet too can trip it up a bit) SONAR only uses this when plugged into my laptop, when plugged out it is reverted back to my stock sound card.. You should have the active monitoring switch turned on at the underside of the UA4Fx so that you can hear the guitar your trying to record with through the headphones while the the rest of your song is also playing through the headphones. Cian
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/21 18:30:19
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Unless you're just messing around, you're wasting your time trying to use the built-in sound on a notebook or desktop computer with Sonar. Get an external audio interface that you can plug headphones into and you'll get much better results.
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Roy Munson
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/21 21:07:50
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Thanks Dave and Cian, ^^ Thanks for helping a newbie Dave I'm using an Edirol UA-4FX. I started with HS6 a couple 2 years ago and had too many frustrations with an old PC , plus HS6 was a challenge itself. I upgraded to HS7XL hoping to find it more intuitive which it seems to be, but the set up & routing gets me all screwed up. I can set up some drums etc, get something to play to. But hearing a non-latent signal just won't happen through the PC soundcard I think from whaty you guys said above. My system specs (at least on the laptop I'd like to try and use) since the old PC is crap and fried. .>>> Dell Inspiron 1525 Intle Core 2Duo T5450 1.66GHz 3.00GB RAM with Windows XP Soundcard appears to be a SigmaTel High Definition Audio CODEC And now just as I wanted to get experimenting the HS7 on startup wont recognise the UA-4FX. Does the UA-4FX act as a sound card? man I need a community college course on this stuff. Thanks for any help guys, much appreciated....
post edited by Roy Munson - 2011/03/22 09:10:43
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Beagle
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/21 22:24:33
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YES, the UA-4FX is a soundcard. and it should be the only one you use in SHS. if it's not being recognized in SHS the you could have several potential problems. first, is it plugged into the USB port and does windows recognize it? if not, then you have to get windows to recognize it first. if windows recognizes it then I would suggest using ASIO driver mode in SHS if the UA-4FX has ASIO drivers that way it forces you to use ONLY the UA-4FX because it does not allow more than one soundcard at a time while in SHS. go to OPTIONS>AUDIO and change the driver mode to ASIO and click APPLY. see if that works, if not let us know.
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/22 09:08:54
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Hi Beagle, I got it to recognize. And i may have had the PC sound card checked in the Audio options along with the UA-4FX. It's unchecked and I'm figuring out some simpler methods. It takes some time to get ones head around all the new lingo and processes. One challenge recording with guitar, if I want to use the XL bundled plugin effects is hearing them when recording using the Input Echo, because I can't hear that at real time, so I've got to record with a clean signal and listen on the UA-4FX. And with the recognizing of the UA-4FX I've found it occassionally won't pick it up, and I just close SHS and reopen and it will pick it up, then I can make sure and assign it. Another reason I took a break with frustrations, 2 years ago I was trying to solicit some help here and I could never get the messages to post. My account or server had some glitch and wasn't allowing anything to post. So, already ....... progress, this is a good sign. Posts are posting, questions answered, my brain hurts less, and I may eventually get some songs built Mastering and posting ?? I'm not ready for that yet, but I know where to find help, thankfully. Cheers, thanks guys.
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/22 09:17:46
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If you use ASIO driver mode, then SONAR will only use one sound card. Typically, computer sound cards don't have ASIO drivers, so it will default to the UA's ASIO drivers. Go to Options>Audio to change to ASIO. You may then have to shut down/restart SONAR for the change to take effect. Then go to Options>Audio again and click the ASIO Panel button. Adjust the latency so there is no delay/echo when using soft synths or audio effects. Unless your computer is an antique with low memory or slow processor, there should be no reason you can't get latency down to 10 milliseconds or even less, a delay value imperceptible to most people.
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/22 10:53:33
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to hear the FX during recording, after you've done what greg has posted, then you also need to click on the INPUT ECHO button on the track you're recording.
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/22 12:53:30
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I'll try these two tips tonight , thanks I've had input echo on but that was where I was getting the latency i couldn't resolve. I think I'm getting warmer though. Letcha know tonight. And her Whack, sorry if I derailed/highjacked your thread . But you guys have been great, thanks, for herding this little cotton tailed bunny rabbit down the right path My fog of confusion is clearing. For now,... I'm sure new mysteries await
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/03/22 23:36:05
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Tried out the tips and all better now guys! Using ASIO mode, and tweaked the latency in the Edirol UA-4fx control panel a bit too. Playing through the VGA effects for guitar and hearing effects and playback right back in the Ed-UA-4fx with no problems no latency. Nice Now I can get somewhere with the next steps of building some songs and sounds. Again , appreciate the help I'll continue taking my small steps up the giant learning curve/mountain
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
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Re:Routing to Headphones and monitors in HS
2011/04/01 20:13:55
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I have a Presonus Inspire interface that has: - mixer volume (and bypass) - speaker output - headphone volume In the back of the interface, I plug a pair of cheap headphones in (I know, I need better ones) and, while I record, I mute the "speaker output" so NOTHING goes through my monitors. Then, I can adjust the headphone levels on the interface mixer with its own volume knob. You need an interface that has these options.
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