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Run as administrator?
There are a number of occasions where I see posters saying Sonar should be run as administrator, which confuses me a bit because the X2 reference guide (and the online help too) says: "Previous versions of SONAR required a user to have Windows Administrator status. This is no longer the case. Any level of user can now install and run SONAR."http://www.cakewalk.com/D...q=Introduction.16.html If X2 should really be run as administrator for good reason then I think CW should update the manual and the online help, but I have a feeling that I probably misunderstand the above statement and want someone here to tell me which is true and what the advantages and disadvantages of running Sonar (or any other DAW) as administrator. Thanks
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 08:12:20
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It's more a case of those posters hanging on to the old ways of doing things or are not aware of that change. I use Run As Administrator for absolutely every program I install (not just audio stuff) just because it doesn't hurt anything and it's easier than keeping track of what programs need it and which don't and/or going through the install process only to have it fail. Next time I install Sonar I'll still use Run As Administrator out of habit.
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 08:13:19
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I honestly do not know if it is needed or not. I always run the Cakewalk software As Administrator, due to prior issues, and since it always works that way for me, I just continue to choose to do so. Sorry that's not really any assistance in answering your post - it's just what I do, because it always works. I do believe that Dim Pro still does require running it the first time as administrator, to complete the registration process. Bob Bone
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 08:14:26
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Oh and this is just a guess but I'm assuming the advantage of using Run As Administrator is because it allows the program access to areas of the system that non admin profiles don't have. So if Sonar needed to get at a protected directory or something it can. Just a guess though. Not a tech.
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 08:15:01
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Some of the older synths certainly benefit from Running Sonar as Administrator. If you do, they work, if you don't, they don't.
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 08:37:21
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Well, I just re-installed my entire system and have never encountered this before, but every time I start Sonar now I get this: "Sonar will now personalize your setings and copy blah blah blah..." message. I set Sonar to always runas administrator, given all permissions to the sonar related folders. It still pops up. Anyone have any good suggestions? sorry for hi-jacking the thread but I thought it was relevant to the topic. Cheers!
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 08:46:57
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Sounds like you cancel out of the blah blah part. Let that run through - it is a deliberate part of the first-time use processing. Bob Bone
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 08:47:09
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ProjectM Well, I just re-installed my entire system and have never encountered this before, but every time I start Sonar now I get this: "Sonar will now personalize your setings and copy blah blah blah..." message. I set Sonar to always runas administrator, given all permissions to the sonar related folders. It still pops up. Anyone have any good suggestions? sorry for hi-jacking the thread but I thought it was relevant to the topic. Cheers!
Never mind about hi-jacking :) Actually, personalization is necessary (but only once unless you have some issue) after the installation. And I discovered this recently.....if you run Sonar as administrator, you can use the Ctrl key as part of a shortcut key to launch the program without bringing up this message, but if you disable the run as administrator check box and use a shortcut key that uses Ctrl to launch Sonar, it brings up the re-personalization message, which, according to Cakewalk is a normal behavior.
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 08:48:44
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@ProjectM... Howdy. It sounds like it is restoring your setup from the last install. I saw this being mentioned here the other day. If you don't clear out all the Sonar related junk in the registry or whatever then when you reinstall it'll find all that stuff and use it for the new install. The solution was to just delete it before installing. I'm not sure if that is actually the case as I've never done it and I may have misunderstood the conversation but it would make sense. I'll probably use CCleaner when I do my complete overhaul to make sure everything is gone and I'm starting from scratch.... well actually I'll probably restore from the image I made right after I installed windows or maybe even totally reformat the drives and start from the very beginning. But if I don't I'll just use CCleaner. Hope you have been well.
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 08:50:47
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Jlien X
ProjectM Well, I just re-installed my entire system and have never encountered this before, but every time I start Sonar now I get this: "Sonar will now personalize your setings and copy blah blah blah..." message. I set Sonar to always runas administrator, given all permissions to the sonar related folders. It still pops up. Anyone have any good suggestions? sorry for hi-jacking the thread but I thought it was relevant to the topic. Cheers!
Never mind about hi-jacking :) Actually, personalization is necessary (but only once unless you have some issue) after the installation. And I discovered this recently.....if you run Sonar as administrator, you can use the Ctrl key as part of a shortcut key to launch the program without bringing up this message, but if you disable the run as administrator check box and use a shortcut key that uses Ctrl to launch Sonar, it brings up the re-personalization message, which, according to Cakewalk is a normal behavior.
hmm... I don't understand this but it sounds like I was probably wrong in my assessment. I have a lot of research to do before I do the overhaul. :-/
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 08:53:38
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If UAC (User Access Control) is turned off then you don't typically have to "Run As Admin" It's still a good idea. Not sure but I think it is really for "mobile" profiles...where a user can log in using different PC's in a network that is using ad (Active Directory). my 2 cents Rafone
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 09:02:40
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Cheers guys! I'm celebrating my (approx) one million year aniversary as a Sonar user and have never had this issue before  But UAC is off - first thing I do because I hate it. I OK through the "Blah Blah Blah..." dialogue and Sonar doesn't actually do anything when I click OK other than taking the box away and start up as normal. This have only showed up once after install previously - as expected (or is that a driver thing that usually pops up?). It's a complete re-install from scratch, which I do twice a year because I have a tendency to mess up my system and it's an old habbit from the XP days. Anyway, registry is fine. No new hardware and there's actually a lot less software installed. I don't think VSTs cause this anyway. That Ctrl thing is something I will look into however. But don't know what it could do since I'm actually not launching with a hot key. Just the good old double click.
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 09:04:21
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Wait a minute: That Personalization dialogue, it usually shows up after a version upgrade without a HDD formate, right? So this indicates that Sonar thinks it's the first time it's being launched when I double click the icon, right? Or am I way off here?
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 09:46:09
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Well, before I recently upgraded to Win 7 64-bit I was always launching Sonar with Ctrl+F10 and it almost always launched the program without the re-personalization message (still don't know why it succeeded). Once in a while the message appeared and I didn't know why so I just ignored it. Now I'm on Win 7 64-bit and Ctrl+F10 ALWAYS brings up this re-personalizaiton message so I posted it in my recent thread and contacted tech support. The reason why CW ask you to hold CTRL+SHIFT and double-click on the SONAR Icon when you need to re-personalize the program is, I think, because most people run Sonar as administrator so holding just Ctrl and double-clicking the icon wouldn't bring up the message. If you don't know what I'm talking about (which is highly likely lol), uncheck the run as administrator option and hold just Ctrl and double-click the icon. The re-personalization message will appear.
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 09:47:44
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Good one Jlien X! Will look into that when I'm back at my Studio. Fingers crossed Thanks! Will post back
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 10:26:50
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 10:26:28
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Deleted...a third time. (So embarrassed I can't figure out how to delete posts).
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Re: Run as administrator?
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Deleted...once again. (Not to mention being embarrassed that it posted multiple times anyway).
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 10:26:23
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I notice when running as an Administrator I couldn't drag audio files from the desktop (or a folder thereon) into Sonar. Not a big deal, maybe, but I went back to running as a Commoner again... [YES!!! This is what I was trying to say when the computer froze up and I kept whacking away at the "Submit" button]
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 10:28:02
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BTW I'm on Windows 8 Pro.
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 10:29:26
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Well, that was fun. Now if I can figure out how to delete a post...
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 11:02:22
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jerrypettit I notice when running as an Administrator I couldn't drag audio files from the desktop (or a folder thereon) into Sonar. Not a big deal, maybe, but I went back to running as a Commoner again...
Interesting. Thanks for posting this.
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 11:05:26
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The whole Windows / user permissions / Administrator rights thing is a bit of a confusing mess. For example, I was told by Sonic Core that I need to run the audio card software as Administrator, so I did so and Windows would always ask, "Do you wish to allow this program to change your computer blah" and I'd say yes (of course) and all was well. Then I ran it as myself and all was still well. Now when I run it as Administrator, Windows doesn't even ask me "Do you wish to allow this program to change your computer blah" any more. Along similarly confusing lines, it used to be that switching between myself and Administrator when running X2 caused X2 to do its "Personalising your user settings blah" thing every time. Now I can run it as either and it no longer does this. So, in summary, I'm going to make a coffee... *glug*
I think what's happening here is that as you're not logging out and back in again as Administrator, the application is running as yourself as Administrator because doubtless you have Administrator rights which is why there's a difference, or no difference, or bananas, between running an application as yourself who has Administrator rights and running it as Administrator as yourself who has the Administrator rights. *glug* Bananas!
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 11:13:31
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On my studio box I only use the adminstrator account, thus I am always running as admin
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 11:21:50
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 11:23:48
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Hello Micknet, Please look over the following two articles that will explain User Account Control in Windows 7. They desribe the difference between the accounts. In Windows 7, even logged on with an Administrator account you will need to elevate your privilege when doing some administrative tasks. The account that you create as a administrator is not a true administrator account. It is a standard user account with administrator privileges. There is a hidden built in Administrator account. <---What I use
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 20:23:43
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scook There is a difference between running in an administrator account and "Run As Administrator".http://answers.microsoft....4f4d-b59e-4dd29d442ff1
This is why I thought I might have misunderstood the explanation in the manual. So, does the manual mean that any level of user can now run Sonar but he still DOES need to run it as administrator? (i.e. right-click the icon and select Run As Administrator or enable the option on the Security tab of Property)
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 21:02:01
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☄ Helpfulby hockeyjx 2013/08/06 22:29:40
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Re: Run as administrator?
2013/08/06 22:20:13
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☄ Helpfulby hockeyjx 2013/08/06 22:29:29
All you have to do is right click the Sonar shortcut, select Properties, click on Compatibility tab and select Run this program as an administrator in the Privilege Level section and then you never have to think about it again.
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