S5 Update needed, where are Cake fellows?

Hello,

I see in the past days that there are less and less post and contributions by the Cake
Team in the forum,
especially about the possible 5.0.2 patch - actually, there's never been a real post
even whispering about it... but the whole Cake crew seems a little vanished

what do that mean?

- They're too busy coding and fixing
- They're told to do so
- There's not much to say
- They're busy on other things - NAMM follow operations for example
- They're having holiday
- They're being bought by Roland (!)

So I'm starting to get worried, and a little abandoned user, because I would like to know that there will be soon an all round patch before sonar 6 is announced - and I see I'm not the only one who looks forward to hear news...
That's not paranoid, I really need some things to work in S5 like they should - VST automation first, VST robustness second, several MIDI editing flaws, and there are more...

Somebody please can tell a little conforting official word?
SIGH...

I have submitted some problems, other have been submitted by others,
and I know that most of them have already been acknowledged.

Yes, the Cake Team people do not have any contract to appear in the forum,
but fact is that they used to do it in the past more than now, just was pointing this
in my opinion.

I chose to buy Sonar not only because of features but also because of spirit
in both community and developers, so it's a pity that now there's this feel of
less attention and care to users - always talking IMHO.

But maybe there are things I don't know and they're coming up silently... happy to
know that maybe you know more than me (NDA rules here?)
I asked to apply for betaing Sonar, but maybe Cake does not need other
testers as of now...

Furthermore, I have noticed that for v4 the first two updates were distanced two months,
so, almost four months after v5 release, I am growingly thinking time is ready for a
majestic 5.0.2 fix.

BTW, I do not intend to slam anybody, maybe my english isn't perfect but
my intentions are not pointless whining :)

If you read the forum often, you can see that my feel is not only mine but there
are other users more and more asking for news.

Bye

I can keep on working too, but without, for example, making heavy use of automation, that, in dance music or other modern styles, is rather essential.

Furthermore, this would make me seriously thinking on following the Sonar path in future versions, since, being a software developer, I *know* that bugs are intrinsec part of the software, but when I release a product, there are several months following of bug fix coverage as part of the release procedure (and customer agreement).

I mean, there are some problems in current Sonar that make some of its features almost useless or unusable (VST support and automation is one of the more important, Piano Roll flaws and limitations is another), so what's wrong in (kindly of course) asking if and/or when there will be some updates on them???

I can just trust and have faith, but of course some official position would be highly welcome :D

ORIGINAL: mabian
happy to know that maybe you know more than me (NDA rules here?)

I don't have any 'inside' information. I believe that VST issues are being addressed because CW staff have said so here on the forum. If I had more time right now, I'd find the link and post it for you.

I'm sure that VST must have high priroity right now. CW surely doesn't want Sonar to have a reputation in the industry as the sequencer that doesn't play nice with VST.

Fixing this stuff takes a lot of time, and I think I speak for most users when I say I'd rather have it right than right now. I'd also rather have them spending their time coding than answering endless requests for an 'official word' that seem to flood the forum at this point in the product cycle.

Can we try to confine it to just one thread?

Exactly.
The one that is slaughtering me now is the Piano Roll view. Bad enough that the feature that mousing over showed you what note you were going to click on,or let you see what a specific note was by simply mousing over it, but the work around (Click and hold and then slide to where you want the note-from Cakewalk Tech Support) is not good, as that doesn't lock to your snap-to setting. If you slightly move sideways the note will go with it-velly,velly, bad.
Again today this is slowing me down to a crawl, and is going to be a real deal breaker for me.

Now-I know damn well that Cakewalk are selling hundreds of thousands of Sonar, and so the loss of a few people like me is not going to impact them one bit. I would say to them, however, that when people like me in professional studios start having their workflow increased they'll stop using or upgrading with Sonar. It can't be good for a company who want to be seen as producing the Premier MIDI sequencing product in the world. This was a feature-the coding was already there-why remove it?

C'mon Ron or Brandon-please tell me why?

Ron-Thank you!!

Ron,

You are a class act. Cakewalk is beyond a doubt the most customer/user oriented company I've ever dealt with. Your all ace's in my book.

Thanks

Thanks, Ron for the update and I apologize to mabian for waking up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. I really should stay off the forums when I'm like that...

ORIGINAL: kidsoncoffee
Ron,
You are a class act.

I second that.

That short sentence he posted has given me all sorts of warm fuzzies.

"If my memory serves me..."? Hey jack, if my memory serves me, this thing is seriously busted in some places. What the heck is wrong with a series of 5.02a, 5.02b, 5.02c (etc.) releases? Code the fixes, get them out there! That's what I do. And folks, stop with the leg humping, it's embarassing...

Sorry to sound so grumpy - I'm normally a cheery fellow. Really! But if you think you've got a fix coded. I think people should at least get a beta shot at it - disclaimer and all (of course).

Best, -Dave

Please, let's not get beta patches released - remember the problems with the 4.1(?) patch that didn't update a dll correctly. Release more patches if necessary, sure, but make sure they're tested before releasing them - a mixed patch environment like you're suggesting - .0.2a, .0.2b etc - is a disaster waiting to happen.

ORIGINAL: Dave Horch

And folks, stop with the leg humping, it's embarassing...

LOL. I wanted an answer about the patch, too. And while I respect Ron and his staff, it's not like hearing a few sacred words from the Burning Bush.

I think Ron is aware of this-at least he said that he's keeping an eye on feature requests, and this is simply a feature restore.

Very important. Not because the pitch cannot be gleaned from the position on the piano roll (or control-clicking), but because the removal of the note value box has become a speedbump.

my post was absolutely *not* intended to offend, hurt or blame anybody.

I'm getting more and more worried over time because I see that sometimes my posts
cause misunderstandings and miscellaneous botherings/annoyance in other members.

But I try to stay as costructive, propositive and positive as I can, expressing my
true thoughts in the best and transparent way my english knowledge allows.

Do I really appear so rude and raw?

I just apologize if my way of writing can lead to understand I'm angry or
something alike. I am simply expressing my opinions and wanted to focus
on some things that for me as a Sonar user are important.

Best,
Mabian

Not at all, you were completely misunderstood. I found your post very polite, somewhat jovial and I respect those who attempt to read between the lines rather than fall into lockstep.