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S6 CPU is more than S5, Just a minor irritation
Edit 3: A minor irritation, when Bob D said it should not be a problem I tested by adding plugs until the Sonar CPU was higher than I usually take it. The project played the same with and without a control surface configured With an empty project loaded, and audio engine turned off, S6 is reporting 8 to 16 CPU usage in Taskmanager. With an empty project loaded, and audio engine turned off, S5 is reporting 0 to 4. What is Sonar busy doing in S6 that is eating up my processing power. Editted to change title and add at the top: This could be one reason your S5 project are popping and crackling and dropping out in S6 -------------------------- Edit: to change the title so as not to advertise the bug, and request being able to shut ACT off. Edit 3: A minor irritation, when Bob D said it should be a problem I tested by adding plugs until the Sonar CPU was higher than I usually take it. The project played the same with and without a control surface configured
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 12:34:11
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Mouseover scroll wheel crap that is not necessary, IMHO, for starters .
I wish there was a way to turn it off
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xackley
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 12:39:16
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Can't buy that, mouse over doesn't work when Sonar is in the background. As I watch the Processes while typing this, Sonar is busy doing nothing on an empty project.
I have noticed S6 internal CPU meter in no way reflects what Taskmanager reports when projects are running. Something in Sonar 6 is very busy, probably running around in an unintended (hopefully) circle.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 12:54:24
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ORIGINAL: xackley
I have noticed S6 internal CPU meter in no way reflects what Taskmanager reports when projects are running. Something in Sonar 6 is very busy, probably running around in an unintended (hopefully) circle.
I noticed this too. Should we be concerned?
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 13:09:58
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I noticed this too. Also seemed to notice that Sonar's CPU meter indicates fluctuating load between the dual cores, while task manager will sit rock solid, no fluctuation, at about 50%. Haven't complained because S6 is just so much more stable on my system than S5. I wonder if Sonar is reserving CPU load for use. Whatever... I'm happy about how smooth the S6 audio engine seems to run over S5... for instance, all the glitches exhibited in S5 when play is initially pressed seem to be gone with S6.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 13:18:34
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Man, does this really matter? Does S6 bog your system down? If so, upgrade time IMO...
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 13:24:07
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Have you fellow AMD dual core users installed AMD's dual-core optimizer yet? That solved the wildly flailing cpu meter thing for me in S5.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 13:26:43
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ORIGINAL: fooman
Man, does this really matter? Does S6 bog your system down? If so, upgrade time IMO...
Are you serious. Sure build a race car, and ignore that the brakes are dragging, eating up your HP and causing overheating problems in the wheels. If sonar is eating your CPU doing nothing, your "upgraded" system has less processing power too. And if Sonar's CPU meter doesn't reflect Actual Usage, that is the cause for the reports here of unexpected crackling when the Sonar CPU reports nothing to worry about.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 13:32:27
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BTW I just opened a new project in S6 just for the hell of it ... 24 blank audio trakcs and one buss ... no plugins or anything. CPU 1 was constant at 1% ... CPU 2 was constant at 0%.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 13:40:11
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ORIGINAL: GC San Diego Seth
BTW I just opened a new project in S6 just for the hell of it ... 24 blank audio trakcs and one buss ... no plugins or anything. CPU 1 was constant at 1% ... CPU 2 was constant at 0%.
I used an empty project so as to be reporting a baseline with no variables. Your PC is much more powerful than mine, so CPU munching would be less obvious on a low end project. Seth, load up a project that actually utilizes more that 50% of your CPU in S5, then in S6. It may or may not make a difference on a high end system.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 14:19:52
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Found the problem
Mackie Control Surface uses about 10% CPU in S6.
It uses nothing noticable in S5
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 14:21:56
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Same with the ACT Control Surface.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 14:57:32
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ORIGINAL: GC San Diego Seth
Have you fellow AMD dual core users installed AMD's dual-core optimizer yet? That solved the wildly flailing cpu meter thing for me in S5.
San DiegoSeth, is there a similar dual-core optimizer for Intel-CPUs too? (especially for Core 2 Duo procs)? thanks david
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 19:37:41
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ORIGINAL: xackley
Found the problem
Mackie Control Surface uses about 10% CPU in S6.
It uses nothing noticable in S5
Same with the ACT Control Surface. Doesn't explain mine, though. I've got no control surfaces, and a dedicated DAW, with no processes running except Sonar. I'm still curious why the task manager CPU meter is so much different from Sonar's CPU in S6, when in S5 they were pretty much identical.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 20:18:06
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for me, projects that were 80% in s5 will not play at all in s6.
just means freezing more synths tho:)
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 20:36:35
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ORIGINAL: mildew
for me, projects that were 80% in s5 will not play at all in s6.
just means freezing more synths tho:)
m
have you checked the difference in actual cpu use as reported in TaskManager?
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OT: AMD Dual Core Optomizer
2006/10/08 21:20:35
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This is from another thread: ORIGINAL: GC San Diego Seth
Have you fellow AMD dual core users installed AMD's dual-core optimizer yet? That solved the wildly flailing cpu meter thing for me in S5.
Have you fellow AMD dual core users installed AMD's dual-core optimizer yet? That solved the wildly flailing cpu meter thing for me in S5. I didn't want it to get lost, because that thread deals with a different topic, but I'm very interested in the optimizer. Thanks,
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RE: OT: AMD Dual Core Optomizer
2006/10/08 21:40:46
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ORIGINAL: Steve Mac
This is from another thread:
ORIGINAL: GC San Diego Seth
Have you fellow AMD dual core users installed AMD's dual-core optimizer yet? That solved the wildly flailing cpu meter thing for me in S5.
Have you fellow AMD dual core users installed AMD's dual-core optimizer yet? That solved the wildly flailing cpu meter thing for me in S5.
I didn't want it to get lost, because that thread deals with a different topic, but I'm very interested in the optimizer.
Thanks,
Here's where you can find the AMD optimizer and other apps: AMD Processor updates  -mr moon
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/08 22:22:50
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ORIGINAL: GC San Diego Seth
Have you fellow AMD dual core users installed AMD's dual-core optimizer yet? That solved the wildly flailing cpu meter thing for me in S5.
Installing the "optimizer" caused hard lockups on my machine with S5 and S6.(AthlonX2-4200+ system) Of course, I didn't really have any metering issues or other issues I was trying to "fix". Just thought I should be up-to-date. YMMV.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/09 10:08:46
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has anyone else confirmed that the Control Surfaces are eating the CPU, and that a CS makes the Right hand light on the Sonar Task bar MIDI Activity Indicator light up when nothing is happening.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/09 10:12:07
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ORIGINAL: AndyW
Installing the "optimizer" caused hard lockups on my machine with S5 and S6.(AthlonX2-4200+ system) Of course, I didn't really have any metering issues or other issues I was trying to "fix". Just thought I should be up-to-date. YMMV.
I had the opposite results: the optimizer stopped the "flailing CPU meters thing" within SONAR for me too! -mr moon
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/09 12:26:16
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has anyone else confirmed that the Control Surfaces are eating the CPU, and that a CS makes the Right hand light on the Sonar Task bar MIDI Activity Indicator light up when nothing is happening. Higher CPU usage Confirmed here... If you have task manager open, and select "Options->Control Surfaces", the CPU activity drops to 0-1%. Close the dialog, and CPU usage jumps again. I suspected the new control surface features were the cause, so I toggled them off, and closed the dialog... Made little or no difference. If the control surface is deleted in Sonar, CPU usage drops to 0-1%. Also the CPU usage reported by Sonar, is way off from what task manager is reporting.... Not using a dual core system here...
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/09 14:34:59
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The increase in windows task manager CPU is simply due to the increased messaging going on when any surface is connected. This is nothing new and completely harmless. Our internal CPU meter is not "way off" from the windows task manager meter, but instead is measuring only the usage of the audio streaming engine. It's a completely different measurement and very specific to the work that the audio engine has to do. Again nothing new. Having surfaces connected should not significantly change the audio engine's efficiency. ORIGINAL: kevo
Higher CPU usage Confirmed here...
If you have task manager open, and select "Options->Control Surfaces", the CPU activity drops to 0-1%. Close the dialog, and CPU usage jumps again.
I suspected the new control surface features were the cause, so I toggled them off, and closed the dialog... Made little or no difference.
If the control surface is deleted in Sonar, CPU usage drops to 0-1%.
Also the CPU usage reported by Sonar, is way off from what task manager is reporting....
Not using a dual core system here...
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5, Bug: All Control Surfaces
2006/10/09 15:49:58
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When you say "Empty Project" - do you mean NO project? Or a Project with no tracks or buses? When the Mackie DLL starts up, it needs to handshake with the hardware. If there is no project loaded, no MIDI will be recieved from the hardware so it just keeps retrying. This will account for higher task manager cpu with no project because it is sending a continous stream of sysex requests to the hardware until it answers. As soon as a project is opened, the request is satisfied and the DLL stops asking. This is not new to 6. This is completely different from the Audio engine CPU meter and this type of activity has no effect on that. ORIGINAL: xackley
With an empty project loaded, and audio engine turned off, S6 is reporting 8 to 16 CPU usage in Taskmanager.
With an empty project loaded, and audio engine turned off, S5 is reporting 0 to 4.
What is Sonar busy doing in S6 that is eating up my processing power.
Editted to change title and add at the top:
This could be one reason your S5 project are popping and crackling and dropping out in S6
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5 with empty project loaded
2006/10/09 15:51:49
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Bob Please actually check the difference between Sonar 6 and 5 before dismissing this.
This is something new.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5, Bug: All Control Surfaces
2006/10/09 16:03:26
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ORIGINAL: Bob Damiano [Cakewalk]
When you say "Empty Project" - do you mean NO project? Or a Project with no tracks or buses?
When the Mackie DLL starts up, it needs to handshake with the hardware. If there is no project loaded, no MIDI will be recieved from the hardware so it just keeps retrying. This will account for higher task manager cpu with no project because it is sending a continous stream of sysex requests to the hardware until it answers. As soon as a project is opened, the request is satisfied and the DLL stops asking. This is not new to 6.
This is completely different from the Audio engine CPU meter and this type of activity has no effect on that.
ORIGINAL: xackley
With an empty project loaded, and audio engine turned off, S6 is reporting 8 to 16 CPU usage in Taskmanager.
With an empty project loaded, and audio engine turned off, S5 is reporting 0 to 4.
What is Sonar busy doing in S6 that is eating up my processing power.
Editted to change title and add at the top:
This could be one reason your S5 project are popping and crackling and dropping out in S6
Bob configure a Mackie or ACT CS In both sonar 4 and sonar 5 and sonar 6 Open Normal.cwt in each with the audio engine turned OFF S4 and S5 register 0-4 % CPU S6 reports 10 to 16 Then in S6 delete the CS
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5, Bug: All Control Surfaces
2006/10/09 16:20:00
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I did this right after I read your original post. (Judging by "with the audio engine turned OFF", I assume that you are indeed talking about the windows task manager CPU reading not the audio engine cpu reading). For me I'm seeing absolutely no difference between S5 and S6. In any version of SONAR, I get fluctuations between 2 and 10% on the windows task manager CPU meter. This with or without any surface. Of course I have about 8 kajillian apps running all the time too and the windows meter is showing the result of all apps. Sounds like something is going on and I'd like to figure it out. Are your normal templates identical between S5 and S6? Any additional views (like Track Inspector) showing in one vs the other? ORIGINAL: xackley
Bob
configure a Mackie or ACT CS In both sonar 4 and sonar 5 and sonar 6
Open Normal.cwt in each with the audio engine turned OFF
S4 and S5 register 0-4 % CPU
S6 reports 10 to 16
Then in S6 delete the CS
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5, Bug: All Control Surfaces
2006/10/09 16:30:28
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In S6 I closed everything except the TV with nothing in the Tabbed View. amd xp 2800 kt 333 1 gb memory geforce4 mx4000 dual monitors at same resolution and bit rate. Maybe your machine has enough power to hide it. What are you running Edit: also note the midi indicator in the Taskbar is on Solid in S6 with a CS. This is new.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5, Bug: All Control Surfaces
2006/10/09 16:40:07
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That is most likely the extra messaging causing this. I'd like to figure out why you're seeing it. I ONLY see this with a Mackie: 1. during the time it is trying to connect. Once it connects, the requests stop. 2. If I turn on metering on the Mackie. When you use a mackie, does the control surface toolbar status window say "Connecting..." ? While it says that, the DLL is retrying the handshake. That should switch to "OK" once it connects. ORIGINAL: xackley
Edit: also note the midi indicator in the Taskbar is on Solid in S6 with a CS. This is new.
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RE: S6 CPU is more than S5, Bug: All Control Surfaces
2006/10/09 16:45:27
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Connected and functioning properly
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