SD3 dump it, or expand it?

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2011/10/02 14:18:57 (permalink)

SD3 dump it, or expand it?

I have no real problems with SD3 but I notice that many of the supplied sounds are short on velocity layers. This makes it a bit weird when recording and forces me to do more manual velocity adjustments than I want to. In fact, doing manual adjustments often don't make any difference because there's nothing to trigger at the level I'm looking for.

There are many alternative drum programs on the market but I don't wish to spend money on something and find out it's no better than SD3.

So I'm trying to decide if I should buy sample libraries for SD3 to improve it or just get another product for drums.

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    Muziekschuur at home
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    Re:SD3 dump it, or expand it? 2011/10/02 16:58:58 (permalink)
    How do you trigger? Does the device itself have enough values sent? Not all keyboards are touch sensitive with 128 values...

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    Re:SD3 dump it, or expand it? 2011/10/02 18:01:05 (permalink)
    I am interested in this too. I have little knowledge of the subject so I will be reading. I really would appreciate it if you guys would write a little bit more about this... say, velocity layers for dummies. I have Toontracks EZDrummer lite, I have quite a few drum loops and SD3.
    I took a look today at the Americana expansion for EZDrummer and have been wondering about upgrading from lite to EZD, then of course I'd have to buy the Americana drums... but there are a lot of other EZD expansion packs that look interesting too.
    I think we all want the best sounds we can get that will fit our budget. At the same time I, for one, don't want to waste money on something better that really isn't better... but the GAS can really get a hold on me in a hurry... there is always something that looks really good, something I NEED... at least for a little while. I have learned to wait and think it over. So, I want to know more about the different drum solutions. After watching the SD3 videos I thought it looked like it would do anything and do it well... videos always seem to have that effect don't they.

    Thanks for letting me read over your shoulder.

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    Re:SD3 dump it, or expand it? 2011/10/02 19:11:12 (permalink)
    EZD would be a step up, and has been on sale a few times over the past year. It may still be on sale right now, I don't know.

    But if you're really picky about velocity layers and articulations and maximum realism in general, I'd say skip the intermediate step and go straight to Superior Drummer.

    Of course "spend some money!" is easy advice to give. But believe me, I know what a zero-budget looks like. Unfortunately, I've not run across anything cheaper than EZD that was more powerful than SD3.

    (If you had Kontakt there'd be a whole bunch of low-cost options available to you. But that's more money, too.)


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    Re:SD3 dump it, or expand it? 2011/10/02 19:35:45 (permalink)
    I think SD3 works OK for synthetic type music (not using the acoustic kits). As you said, the velocity layers aren't there. EZ Drummer is good with some expansion packs and is a lot more user friendly than Superior. Not that Superior is difficult or anything. Just, if you just want to get some tracks down in a stereo pair, without much tweaking EZ may be better. One other option is Addictive Drums.
    It's been a while but, There was a demo that was fully functional for hat, snare and kick. Use that for free for the basic groove and SD3 for fills and cymbals etc.

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    Re:SD3 dump it, or expand it? 2011/10/02 20:13:39 (permalink)
    I have ask also, what are you triggering with? Some samples might not hold the velocity layers you want but strike level will certainly change them. A perfect performance must be built whether it's in real time or editing a synthetic sound sample.

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    Re:SD3 dump it, or expand it? 2011/10/02 20:35:15 (permalink)
    Well, if you ARE willing to spend money for a better product then there are quite a few other options.

    Superior Drummer, BFD, Steven Slate Drums, Ocean Way Drums, Addictive Drums, The Abbey Road Drum libraries from NI

    Studio Drummer was just released by NI also.  Not sure how good it is though.
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    Re:SD3 dump it, or expand it? 2011/10/02 21:09:35 (permalink)
    SD3 dump it, or expand it?


    Don't dump it, but don't expand it you'll still find uses for it going down the road as it is.

    For the most boom, bang, crash for your buck I'd recommend on of the Toontrack products.  EZ is a good place to start and it also puts you on the upgrade path for Superior.

    Unless you are some masochistic time waster like me that gets some weird satisfaction from rolling their own you won't go far wrong with EZ or Superior 2.  Whether you choose to try out at the EZ end or jump right in with Superior is just a matter of your budget.

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    Re:SD3 dump it, or expand it? 2011/10/02 23:41:42 (permalink)
    Thanks for sharing your time on this.

    I am using the Roland A-Pro 500 and the Alesis SR-16 to trigger the drums. I have tried various velocity curves on both surfaces to see what works best. Strangely, the old SR-16 seems to be much better as a trigger. Perhaps because it's a straight midi connection as opposed to USB, I really don't know. Cake says it should make no difference.

    I've been window surfing all weekend looking at everything and it's confusing. Everything sounds the same online. The new drum package from NI is on for $150 but comes with only 3 kits. EZ Drummer is only $99.

    I'm being a whimp about it because I don't want to buy something obsolete. I need one really good acoustic kit, some Linn Drum sounds and I would fill that out with some "world" drum samples. Not a huge amount, but something with flexability and quality samples. It looks like I may have to build some amps this month, buy Komplete and call it a day.

    At least that's the advice I got at the music store yesterday.

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    Re:SD3 dump it, or expand it? 2011/10/02 23:49:09 (permalink)
    I have a couple of expansion packs for SD3 and I like it, but I have a very simple drum style. That said, I am on the verge of buying NI's Abbey Road Modern Drums. Question is if I should buy this for $119, or go for NI's Studio Drummer for $149. I'm not worried about the $30 difference--just wondering which product is better for adding more pop/rock/country options. The Abbey Road demos sound really good. Thoughts?
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    Re:SD3 dump it, or expand it? 2011/10/03 05:45:49 (permalink)
    BFD advocate here - I wouldn't swap BFD for anything right now.

    It does all I want from a drum vsti and loads more besides.

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    Re:SD3 dump it, or expand it? 2011/10/03 06:01:42 (permalink)
    Superior Drummer  2 here. It's so expandable with MIDI files, and other goodies.

    I'm a lousy drummer and it gets me out of  trouble every time.

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