some useful things like allowing multi-track mono outs would be good

Thats one of the 100 reasons i love Superior 2.0 form toontrack. Its a beast of a drum VSTi
Cj

strikinglyhandsome1


Beagle earlier today

Actually, I played the cymbals in marching band! 
 
the bass drum player was "Marvon Brooms" (no, I didn't spell it wrong!)

Reece,
 
No need to sign up for anything. Click on the "Community" tab at the top of the page and scroll down to click on "Twitter". Takes you straight to the CW page, no login, no signing up, just the announcements.

david - thanks, cool tip.

fresh101

candlesayshi


This is probably the most uninteresting news to me yet. Though, mostly because I hate Session Drummer 2. That being said though, SD2 mostly gets on my nerves for its limitations. So...

Pretty cool news to anyone that uses SD2 though, I'm sure.

Then it seems like this should be good news then. Maybe SD3 won't have the limitations that made you hate SD2! Think positive my friend.

Heh. That's actually what I was thinking. Will definitely give it a spin when I get the chance.

Hopefully, It will be 64 bit.

I thought SD2 was pretty good. SD3 should be better.

 
Let's hope the axiom "more is better" holds true when it comes to version numbers, eh?
 
I'm with most people here. I of the 3rd party stuff I own:
Toontracks SD2
Toontracks EZD (and all FX's)
Addictive
Jamstix
 
So, I'll prolly not care much for SD3 unless they have samples that are not already part of my arsenal.
 
 

Hi Craig,
 

but why would you use a drum map in a drum software program with it's own set of maps?

 
If you use something like Battery, there aren't any Sonar drum maps shipped with it. In fact it was Fog and
someone else (altima something) who put them together for the factory provided kits.
 
Plus there are a few of us who create our own drum kits, which is very easy to do in Battery. So to get meaningful names
appear on the drum grid (eg 'hi hat closed' would now be better descibed as 'kick drum from Satans botty') you need drum maps.
 
Battery is a pretty popular peice of software, especially for the electronic music minded folks here, creating/editing your own kits is
pretty much de rigeur.

SD2 is not bad for an entry-level drum set.  It's better than anything that was available when I started with computer music.  It should be pretty obvious this is not supposed to compete with EZD, AD, etc., but rather give something decent to anyone just starting out.

Whoa! Whoa Horsey, WHOA!!! :-P Session Drummer 3 details and demo has not been release yet, at this point in time we ALL have no idea of it's sounds and features.

Ya' know all DAW's nowadys have their own drum software because it's a start for new users.

I use Addictive Drums, KitCore and Session Drummer! Put 'em all together and you have a superb kit.

What the 'soon-to-be-released' Session Drummer 3 may do is appeal to new customers and offer yet more layering options for the those that already own other drum software. I see nothing negative about that.

I am sure they are updating SD 2 because it is kind of an embarrassment for Cakewalk.
I wonder how much SD 3 will be better, or if I'll ever use it.

Depending on what it does and much more importantly how the grooves created in it feel, this could tip the scales to me doing the upgrade. I'm disappointed to see a picture of an acoustic kit. Maybe they could offer an alternate picture of a vintage drum machine such as a Linn or 808.

I think my money would have been better spent on samples for SD2, there's nothing you can do in EZ that you can't in SD2

How is that room mic working for you in SD2?  Or how easy is it to find the groove you want in SD2 and drag it into your project.   And how is that SD2 preview engine syncing up to the SONAR tempo?  Oh yeah, can you get 13 mic channels into SD2 with 3 kick mics and a couple of Snare mics?  Sorry, SD2 can't compete.  We'll see what SD3 can do.  The best thing that can be said is that it's included in the price so it will get somebody started making music PDQ.
 
 

Mod Bod

I think my money would have been better spent on samples for SD2, there's nothing you can do in EZ that you can't in SD2

How is that room mic working for you in SD2?  Or how easy is it to find the groove you want in SD2 and drag it into your project.   And how is that SD2 preview engine syncing up to the SONAR tempo?  Oh yeah, can you get 13 mic channels into SD2 with 3 kick mics and a couple of Snare mics?  Sorry, SD2 can't compete.  We'll see what SD3 can do.  The best thing that can be said is that it's included in the price so it will get somebody started making music PDQ.
 
 

Well this isn't the thread to have an EZD pros/cons discussion in.  I'll just say, for me personally I think EZD is overpriced, and under featured.  If I liked the kit sounds (included & Nashville) I might have a better opinion of it but I'll stick with my TD6V & see how SD3 is. You like EZD, I don't. :)
 
Dan

Robin Kelly [Cakewalk
]

I can't get into details (sorry) but please keep in mind some features are going to be more attractive to existing customers and some are going to be more attractive to new customers.

In addition, in regards to SD3 if you like and use SD2 you will be pretty excited about SD3. Of course if you use something else already you may find it less interesting. We do try to keep as many types of users happy as possible.

Not trying to start a flame war but just something to keep in mind.

So I guess you will be keeping all us Staff View users as happy as possible?

I hope SD3 has taken a look at competing products such as MOTU's BPM, NI's Maschine, Fxpansion's Guru, and Steinberg's Groove Agent/Beat Designer. It should have its own internal sequencer where you create beats, and then be able to transfer them over into Sonar MIDI tracks. It should also have a sizeable library of both acoustic and electronic drums and percussion. It also wouldn't hurt to have various grooves or feels from classic drum machines.

One of my main peeves with Sonar has been its inability to give me a basic tight good-feeling drum groove. This would be quantized and created by me.

Oh, and it wouldn't hurt to have a huge library of loops, in very contemporary electronica styles. This might require retaining the services of some third-party programmers (i.e. not Brandon). Companies like Vengeance, Loopmasters, and Zero-G come to mind.

Now of course lots of people could give a hoot about anything having to do with electronica. They want rock acoustic drums. Fine. Have that too. But don't slight the electronica crowd because I think that's one main reason more dance producers don't use Sonar. They appear to be taking a nod from Ableton Live by offering non-linear assembling of musical material. Then give us the facility to create poppin' drum and percussion tracks. Those are the foundation of any electronica production. Without them, you have, well, Sonar.

My hopes are up. My purchase of a new hardware machine is on hold. The ball is in Cakewalk's court. My credit card is ready.

The fact that it isnt mentioned suggests that SD3 will still be  X32 Native  and not  Native X64.

If this is the case, this is quite dissappointing for those of us in a "full" X64 DAW environment.

Hope I'm wrong.

Also, I did have a bit of a chuckle when I read about multiple-bit-bridge instances as many of those here who are also in a full-x64-native-DAW environment will atest to - multiple bit-bridge instances = multiple latecny and stabiltiy issues.

Again, maybe bit-bridge has been re-coded, but as it stands in s8, if you are doing large projects, at very low latencies with VSTi's I really would avoid bit-bridging any efx as you are just asking for trouble.

Just my 2c worth based on my x64 experience.

Tim