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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 04:31:46 (permalink)
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The fact that it isnt mentioned suggests that SD3 will still be  X32 Native  and not  Native X64.

If this is the case, this is quite dissappointing for those of us in a "full" X64 DAW environment.

Hope I'm wrong.

Then you'll be pleased to know that you are indeed wrong.

SD3 is x64 native.





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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 07:13:31 (permalink)
SD2 is my only drum program so far, and yes it has limitations. I've been wondering if I should buy another plug like BFD or something, but if SD3 is great  then I'll say that this is a good reason for me to uppgrade.
I don't own many 3rd party plugs, so for me good pluggs in sonar is very welcome!

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 07:48:48 (permalink)
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timboe


The fact that it isnt mentioned suggests that SD3 will still be  X32 Native  and not  Native X64.

If this is the case, this is quite dissappointing for those of us in a "full" X64 DAW environment.

Hope I'm wrong.

Then you'll be pleased to know that you are indeed wrong.

SD3 is x64 native.


Now, there you go.  Good work on being there first.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 07:54:33 (permalink)
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SD2 is my only drum program so far, and yes it has limitations. I've been wondering if I should buy another plug like BFD or something, but if SD3 is great  then I'll say that this is a good reason for me to uppgrade.
I don't own many 3rd party plugs, so for me good pluggs in sonar is very welcome!

 
I workied with SD2 on a couple of producsts and was generally well imprewssed with it's capability.
 
The only thing that let it down - for me - was the small palette of available drum sounds without having to write your own .sfk(?) files, so I bought BFD2.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 08:17:34 (permalink)
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timboe


The fact that it isnt mentioned suggests that SD3 will still be  X32 Native  and not  Native X64.

If this is the case, this is quite dissappointing for those of us in a "full" X64 DAW environment.

Hope I'm wrong.

Then you'll be pleased to know that you are indeed wrong.

SD3 is x64 native.

Thanks, Brandon and Cakewalk.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 09:53:45 (permalink)
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Or how easy is it to find the groove you want in SD2 and drag it into your project.  
 
  for the most part, i like EZdrummer, but i find their groove names annoying and cumbersome.

i mostly like using the 64 bit beta of Battery 3 and EZdrummer (but i do not use the grooves because i don't like looking at the names, and the grooves themselves sound WAY TOO HAPPY and UPBEAT).



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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 10:08:51 (permalink)
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Then you'll be pleased to know that you are indeed wrong.

SD3 is x64 native.


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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 10:09:16 (permalink)
grooves themselves sound WAY TOO HAPPY and UPBEAT).
Have you tried them along with a Dminor chord.  The combination of sad and happy can get you a nice melancholy feel. 

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 10:17:54 (permalink)
of course i have.  Dm and Bm and F#m are some of my favorite chords to make on my guitar

but i've spent some hours going through the grooves (and i have several EZXs) and it's been like "nope, won't use that one . . . nope . . . nope . . . etc)  i guess what i think would be cool would be if EZplayer Pro had the ability to edit individual midi notes, rather than what it currently offers.  because then i would mangle the grooves offered by Toontrack to make them have my feel

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 11:06:30 (permalink)
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of course i have.  Dm and Bm and F#m are some of my favorite chords to make on my guitar

but i've spent some hours going through the grooves (and i have several EZXs) and it's been like "nope, won't use that one . . . nope . . . nope . . . etc)  i guess what i think would be cool would be if EZplayer Pro had the ability to edit individual midi notes, rather than what it currently offers.  because then i would mangle the grooves offered by Toontrack to make them have my feel

Just import them to a MIDI track in Sonar and mangle them there using Sonar's midi editing tools.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 11:30:27 (permalink)
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I own Superior Drummer 2, the Superior expansions and version 1 as well so I have no real need for another drum sampler. but many new buyers might, if i was making the move to sonar from another daw and there was a damn good drum sampler built in it might sway me. If SD2 had better acoustic sounds I think it would win a lot of people over who don't want to spend another couple hundred bucks for drums. even one good kit with mixable ambience would be almost all they would need
Well, according to the twitters:
The next version of SONAR will make your drum tracks sound totally pro with kits from Steven Slate & Ocean Way: http://bit.ly/jzJhE

That only leaves the question of whether SD3 supports mixable ambience/mic's.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 11:33:16 (permalink)
Ocean Way Drums is definately a step way up from SessionDrummer2


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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 12:04:54 (permalink)
well that's something i already do at times, but i bought EZplayer Pro because i thought that it would do what i wanted: load things in mix, match, mangle, enter my own stuff, delete midi notes, etc and then EXPORT MIDI PATTERN.  maybe that will occur in a future version, maybe not.  it's not like i haven't bought a lot of stuff i thought did something and then didn't.  oops!

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 13:24:39 (permalink)
SD3 - just another waste of time on Ro/Cake's part. Anyone who's serious about drums already has something way better. I've got Battery 2 and BFD. I've tried SD2 that came with S8 and it's basically a waste of time.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 13:30:55 (permalink)
Hi Jack-
SD3 - just another waste of time on Ro/Cake's part. Anyone who's serious about drums already has something way better.

But as I think it was Robin from CW pointed out, there will be new customers who don't have anything for anything yet, so it'll be good for them to have a better tool than SD2.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 13:49:39 (permalink)
And if you have something like Jamstix that can load other Drum VSTi like I do, you welcome the edition. Even if I don't use SD3 I'll use the samples that come with it.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 13:59:31 (permalink)
Hi Ed-

That's a good point, too. I've heard good things about the included samples.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 14:09:49 (permalink)
I've got Battery 2 and BFD. I've tried SD2 that came with S8 and it's basically a waste of time.

 
I've got neither, so SD3 is looking good from over here...    And there's also mention above about kits from Steven Slate & Ocean Way.  I don't have those either, but have heard a lot of good things about them.   
 
So I just don't see this addition as a waste of time in any way.    YMMV, of course.   
 

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 14:14:40 (permalink)
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I've got Battery 2 and BFD. I've tried SD2 that came with S8 and it's basically a waste of time.

 
I've got neither, so SD3 is looking good from over here...    And there's also mention above about kits from Steven Slate & Ocean Way.  I don't have those either, but have heard a lot of good things about them.   
 
So I just don't see this addition as a waste of time in any way.    YMMV, of course.   
 
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 14:35:35 (permalink)
The next version of SONAR Producer will offer non-linear arranging of audio & MIDI with a new cell-based view

I think of non-linear editing as video, having multi-tracks to cut in and out, which of course S8 does with audio...can someone tell me what I don't understand about non-linear audio editing please? 

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 14:38:56 (permalink)
I've got Battery 2 and BFD. I've tried SD2 that came with S8 and it's basically a waste of time.


Are they x64 native?  No!  So I don't find that to be a waste of time.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 15:18:22 (permalink)
Hi Randy-
I think of non-linear editing as video, having multi-tracks to cut in and out, which of course S8 does with audio...can someone tell me what I don't understand about non-linear audio editing please?

"Non-linear" arranging is often referred to as "pattern-based" sequencing. You create discrete patterns which can be re-arranged on the fly, and when you're happy with the final result you can turn the arrangement into a "linear" sequence (ala the standard SONAR approach).

I've used FL Studio this way for a long time, and P5 had the Groove Matrix, which allows you to do the same thing. One advantage is that it lets you try out different sections of the song (alternate Verses, Bridges, Choruses, whatever) very easily. You can just mix 'n match this and that without moving to a new area to record in the linear sequence or dealing with lots of muting/soloing just to hear a different take on the same section. And it's much easier if, for example, your different takes on a section are of different lengths. You can do that easily with pattern-based sequencing, whereas with linear sequencing you're pretty much locked into a song structure once you've recorded even just a draft. You'd have to do lots of moving/deleting, blah-blah to change the basic structure.

It looks like that's what we'll have with the Matrix View, based on the column/row paradigm (close to P5's Groove Matrix), and if so that would be very cool!

HTH-

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 15:26:12 (permalink)
some useful things like allowing multi-track mono outs would be good

This can be done now with SD2

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 15:34:16 (permalink)
Susan - is that the same thing as Kinetic did as well?  I'm not familiar with P5 or "pattern based sequencing" - but when I hear the term - I think of Kinetic.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 15:34:58 (permalink)
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Hi Randy-

I think of non-linear editing as video, having multi-tracks to cut in and out, which of course S8 does with audio...can someone tell me what I don't understand about non-linear audio editing please?

"Non-linear" arranging is often referred to as "pattern-based" sequencing. You create discrete patterns which can be re-arranged on the fly, and when you're happy with the final result you can turn the arrangement into a "linear" sequence (ala the standard SONAR approach).

I've used FL Studio this way for a long time, and P5 had the Groove Matrix, which allows you to do the same thing. One advantage is that it lets you try out different sections of the song (alternate Verses, Bridges, Choruses, whatever) very easily. You can just mix 'n match this and that without moving to a new area to record in the linear sequence or dealing with lots of muting/soloing just to hear a different take on the same section. And it's much easier if, for example, your different takes on a section are of different lengths. You can do that easily with pattern-based sequencing, whereas with linear sequencing you're pretty much locked into a song structure once you've recorded even just a draft. You'd have to do lots of moving/deleting, blah-blah to change the basic structure.

It looks like that's what we'll have with the Matrix View, based on the column/row paradigm (close to P5's Groove Matrix), and if so that would be very cool!

HTH-

-Susan

I'd like to see it in action but it sounds very interesting!
Thanks Susan,
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 15:44:31 (permalink)
Hi Beagle-
Susan - is that the same thing as Kinetic did as well?

No clue, sorry, but hopefully a Kinetic User will chime in.

I should say that I'm probably not a "typical" FLS or P5 User, since I don't use loops at all, but I still like being able to compose using patterns as discrete elements of my songs, and auditioning various combinations before committing them to a linear sequence. I use them as "scratch pads", basically, but it makes it much easier (for me) to pick & choose what I like best.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 15:51:02 (permalink)
ok - thanks for the explanation anyway!

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 15:51:51 (permalink)
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I should say that I'm probably not a "typical" FLS or P5 User, since I don't use loops at all, but I still like being able to compose using patterns as discrete elements of my songs, and auditioning various combinations before committing them to a linear sequence. I use them as "scratch pads", basically, but it makes it much easier (for me) to pick & choose what I like best.

-Susan
that is exactly why i'm a huge fan of p5



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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 16:24:42 (permalink)
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I've got Battery 2 and BFD. I've tried SD2 that came with S8 and it's basically a waste of time.


Are they x64 native?  No!  So I don't find that to be a waste of time.
To tell the truth, I'm still running a 32 bit system so 64 bit operation is not a concern for me. And if my daw computer dies I'd probably go to a different program that's not Windoze-centric anyway.

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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!! 2009/08/25 16:26:33 (permalink)
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Hi Jack-

SD3 - just another waste of time on Ro/Cake's part. Anyone who's serious about drums already has something way better.

But as I think it was Robin from CW pointed out, there will be new customers who don't have anything for anything yet, so it'll be good for them to have a better tool than SD2.

-Susan
Point taken; I knew that, but was just stating how things looked from my perspective.

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