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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/25 17:02:49
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I've got Battery 2 and BFD. I've tried SD2 that came with S8 and it's basically a waste of time.
I've got neither, so SD3 is looking good from over here... And there's also mention above about kits from Steven Slate & Ocean Way. I don't have those either, but have heard a lot of good things about them.
So I just don't see this addition as a waste of time in any way. YMMV, of course. 
The samples in OWD and SSD are good, but IMO these products do not come up to the standard of either BFD2 or Superior2 when it comes to playability and realism, all down to the implementation with e-drums, especially the high hat articulations. This is a hard thing to get right, as it involves really designing the VSTi in such a way that it implements the samples in a realistic way and responds to the drummer's needs when playing the instrument. The OWD multi-samples as I recall (correct me if wrong) are not as deep velocity-wise as BFD2 or Superior2, also. IOW, a soft hit sounds like a hard hit just lower in volume. The Platinum Samples expansion packs, e.g., have 256 layers of velocities for most pieces. OW implements round robin techniques as their alternative. The strength of SSD I believe is in drum hit replacement morseo that as a --complete-- drummer's tool. But my direct experience is limited so please correct me if wrong, anybody. But for people who don't drum (use MIDI loops) or don't have a drum VSTi currently, then this sounds like a good step forward of course.
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/25 17:27:54
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As a drummer, and owner of Superior Drummer 2 and Steven Slate Drums 3.0, I have to say that SSD should be a fantastic addition to Sonar. I love both Superior Drummer 2 and SSD 3 and use them both about the same. It really depends on the material. For less processed styles, Superior Drummer is outstanding! SSD isn't so great for those styles. But when you need HUGE processed bigger than life sounds, Superior Drummer doesn't even come close to what SSD does. Also, SSD is excellent for drum replacement--even in less aggressive songs.
In my opinion, I think this is a great move for Cakewalk. Most of us seem to agree that SD2 just doesn't cut it. So why should we complain about an improved version? With the addition of OWD and SSD, Sonar will at least come with some better drum sounds. This will be great for those who can't afford to purchase 3rd party samplers. Of course, we hope that these sample sets will at least include one full kit each. I hate it when lite versions are missing something like a ride cymbal or rim click (such as BFD Lite for Pro Tools).
BTW. Has anybody checked out the mod wheel with some of the open Hi Hat's in SSD 3.0? Amazing! I have yet to see this in any other sampler.
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/25 18:00:27
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Susan G
Hi Randy-
I think of non-linear editing as video, having multi-tracks to cut in and out, which of course S8 does with audio...can someone tell me what I don't understand about non-linear audio editing please?
"Non-linear" arranging is often referred to as "pattern-based" sequencing. You create discrete patterns which can be re-arranged on the fly, and when you're happy with the final result you can turn the arrangement into a "linear" sequence (ala the standard SONAR approach).
I've used FL Studio this way for a long time, and P5 had the Groove Matrix, which allows you to do the same thing. One advantage is that it lets you try out different sections of the song (alternate Verses, Bridges, Choruses, whatever) very easily. You can just mix 'n match this and that without moving to a new area to record in the linear sequence or dealing with lots of muting/soloing just to hear a different take on the same section. And it's much easier if, for example, your different takes on a section are of different lengths. You can do that easily with pattern-based sequencing, whereas with linear sequencing you're pretty much locked into a song structure once you've recorded even just a draft. You'd have to do lots of moving/deleting, blah-blah to change the basic structure.
It looks like that's what we'll have with the Matrix View, based on the column/row paradigm (close to P5's Groove Matrix), and if so that would be very cool!
HTH-
-Susan
If this is indeed the case...that I can define sections "verse, chorus1, chorus2, bridge "etc and then just tell sonar, the playlist....I am sold...I have been after this for years. song arrangement is one of the areas that DAWS need to improve in. I certainly hope it can be done as easy as that.. Wiz
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/25 18:30:40
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/25 23:43:27
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Wiz
something along these lines...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlPfXp730m4
Wiz
That would be cool but isn't that something sequencers have been doing for over 20 years? I mean I had an old Ensoniq TS-12 that you could string together sequences (named chourus, verse, bridge, etc) in "song mode". That said though it would be cool to do this (like the Cubase video you linked) and it would be so much easier than copy/pasting multiple tracks. Nice voice BTW Wiz...good luck with the new album!
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/25 23:57:36
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Has anybody checked out the mod wheel with some of the open Hi Hat's in SSD 3.0? Amazing! I have yet to see this in any other sampler.
now that would be very very nice!!!!!
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 02:20:19
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There's something about the title of this thread that amuses me every time I read it.  Regards, DB
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 05:37:07
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Any place where it explains how to work with q_outes (had to spell it that way so it wouldn't make one) with this new forum system?
post edited by Nick P - 2009/08/26 05:38:16
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 05:42:34
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Nick P
Any place where it explains how to work with q_outes (had to spell it that way so it wouldn't make one) with this new forum system?
Yeah, when it flicks up just start typing from where the cursor is. Any alteration results in disaster.
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 06:26:36
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ORIGINAL: dbmusic
There's something about the title of this thread that amuses me every time I read it. Please tell me what you find so amusing. The idea that CW has decided to introduce a new version of Session Drummer? The idea that I thought some users might be interested (the key word being "some")? 
Regards, Papa CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5 CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials... CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 06:38:48
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I saw the tweet on this, and think I'll be sticking to Addictive drums. Hopefully there's more interesting tweets coming soon.
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 07:10:04
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" For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 08:27:44
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but sometimes I just want to quote a couple of words from someone's long post. Knowing where the q...te starts and stops would be really beneficial. Isn't there some way to turn this back on?
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Susan G
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 08:37:24
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Hi Nick- Isn't there some way to turn this back on? What I did here was to highlight the words above then double-click the "Reply to message" button (no selection from the drop-down). Is that what you're looking for? I don't think there's a setting for the old behavior. -Susan
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 09:32:03
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[_quote]blah de blah[_/quote]
works as well. But without the _ of course
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 09:41:48
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Hi Nick- Isn't there some way to turn this back on? What I did here was to highlight the words above then double-click the "Reply to message" button (no selection from the drop-down). Is that what you're looking for? I don't think there's a setting for the old behavior. -Susan Cool! I always did this manually, but this is better. Thanks Susan!
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Jose7822
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 09:42:55
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I guess it doesn't work well when quoting more than one person though. It works better manually in that case. :-(
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 09:51:45
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I saw the tweet on this, and think I'll be sticking to Addictive drums. Why is that? Have you played with Session Drummer 3 and found it not as good as Addictive drums? Is Addictive drums native64? Session Drummer 3 is native64!
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 09:52:30
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Hi Jose-
Right, it's just kinduva "quick quote".
P.S. Boy, do I miss "In reply to" and the old no-fail quoting!
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 09:52:50
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Never any need to quote two people.
They are both usually moaning about the same thing.
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 09:53:32
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The native 64 looks very promising! I also like how session drummer uses GM.
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Jose7822
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 10:11:32
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Hi Jose-
Right, it's just kinduva "quick quote".
P.S. Boy, do I miss "In reply to" and the old no-fail quoting! -Susan Me too :-( This new quoting system = FAIL.
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 10:16:15
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Even if the text is quoted properly, the formatting is lost. Hate it!
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 10:19:13
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Even if the text is quoted properly, the formatting is lost. Hate it!
-Susan I know! And once you've made a mistake, you can't go back to fix it after it's been posted. Oh well :-(
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 15:49:22
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As a Superior 2 owner, SD3 won't be a major selling point for me, but it won't be a throw away either. I especially like the fact that it's x64 since ToonTrack seems to be sitting on their hands in that regard. If it sounds really good, I could be converted. :-)
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 16:06:25
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I've been using using Session Drummer 2 lately, but the sets are very limited despite decent sound quality. What I'll probably be doing in the future is combining SD2 with my Yamaha YDD-60. The YDD-60 allows for up to 6 toms as opposed to 3. Plus, it has great cymbal and high hat sounds. For those of you who haven't heard the Yamaha YDD-60, it's an awesome drum machine for a mere $200. All of the drum and percussion sounds are great! And there's a heck of a lot of sounds to choose from! It's compact size makes for a great MIDI controlled instrument. Fractalman93
post edited by fractalman93 - 2009/08/26 17:13:55
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 16:27:25
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ORIGINAL: Jose7822
And once you've made a mistake, you can't go back to fix it after it's been posted. Actually, you can. Click on "Message Options" (next to the "Reply to Message" button).
Regards, Papa CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5 CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials... CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
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Re:SESSION DRUMMER 3!!
2009/08/26 17:34:31
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papa2005
ORIGINAL: Jose7822
And once you've made a mistake, you can't go back to fix it after it's been posted.
Actually, you can. Click on "Message Options" (next to the "Reply to Message" button).
I knew that Papa. It's just that sometimes you can't edit the message the way you want to because the formating is uneditable. Notice my previous replies where I'm quoting myself. I couldn't undo those so I had to leave 'em like that. Before, I could go back and edit anyway I wanted.
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