SFZ files for EX Drummer samples?

 Unless you buy the samples from Toontrack , you would have legal issues :)

This is a long shot - but: does anyone have SFZ files that they use with Session Drummer 3 to load the EZ Drummer WAV samples?
 
I bought EZ Drummer some time and ago and like the sounds - but would prefer not to install their engine. Instead, I could just use their samples with SD3 - if I can find SFZ files.
 
I can make them myself, but . . . it's pretty time consuming, so I thought I would ask first.

Mod Bod


What you are advocating is in direct violation of Toontrack's user agreement.  May I suggest that you look at the sample sets for Session Drummer 3 coming from Platinum Samples.  They are very good and will save you a lot of work and possibly a cease and desist letter from TT. 

feels good flashing that TT badge around hu?
kind of gives you that feeling of power.lol

Although those Platinum Sample kits look pretty good - so maybe I will just do those instead.

pdarg


????????

As I said - I PURCHASED EZ Drummer some time ago - what is the issue?

Toontrack doesn't approve of reverse engineering their samples.  They've made it clear that they will protect their copyrights.

Glyn Barnes

pdarg


????????

As I said - I PURCHASED EZ Drummer some time ago - what is the issue?

You would need to read the licensing conditions, I don't have then to hand. Its pretty common to have a clause preventing the reverse engineering of software. Remapping the samples to a third party application would effectively give you a way of bypassing Toontrack's licensing control, so they are unlikely to approve.
 
From a practical point of view it would be a complex thing to map the samples and I doubt if you could ever get the room mics mapped correctly. A awful lot of work just to use what is in my opinion an inferior interface.

That's putting it diplomatically.

im sorry it just sounds a little policing to me,its not piracy,the samples are paid for.
is it against toontracks policy?..well i guess youve made that clear.
is there a problem you ask ??

i guess not dave.

im sure toontrack is greatful for your extended service.

What an absurd thread. Pdarg could do nothing with the SFZ files unless he already possessed the samples so clearlly this is not the issue.
 
Sharing mapping to samples does not promote piracy, that's a ridiculous statement.
 
Sending Pdarg SFZ files is hardly "reverse engineering". Doing what -I- did, modifying Steven Slates drums and posting those SFZ files here publicly on the forum, is perhaps a little closer to reverse engineering but still not even close to qualifying. Let's add the fact people publicly complained and reported me about that thread yet not one word from Cakewalk or a moderator. Does that sound like Cakewalk was upset about my "copyright infringement" or "reverse engineering"?
 
In the next two weeks I will be posting almost ten reworked, bastardized, edited and vastly improved versions of the SFZ files for Steven Slates Old Zep kit. It is quite surprising to hear the improvements I've made. I trust all those complaining in this thread will refrain from downloading and using the superior sounding kit, despite the fact they have already paid for the samples and were given sub-standard, poorly edited and essentially non-functional mapping rendering said samples pretty much useless, and I hope all others will download and benefit from the improvements. I'll let you know when the cease and desist letters show up.
 
I understand protecting intellectual property but there becomes a point where common sense should prevail.
 
EDIT: OK, so I apologize. This thread is actually offensive, not just absurd. I realize now Pdarg is actually asking if someone has -already- remapped the samples to SFZ for SD3 and asking them to share the mappings if they would. To object to others sharing mappings they have created themselves is bizarre, trivial, and possibly inaccurate in terms of legality.... if any company told me I could not remap samples I purchased from them I would not only ignore them but they would never see a penny of investment from me ever again. YMMV.
 
Mod Bod - please quote me the specific refrain from the user agreement that would oppose someone remapping the samples to be used in a different sampler for their own purpose. This I would like to see, and since you are making direct claim that this is in violation of the user agreement then you have already found and read the specific section as you have clearly made a legal determination. Therefore, surely you can also take the time to produce the section that pertains to the issue. Or is quoting the user agreement copyright infringement too?
 
 

SToons
Mod Bod - please quote me the specific refrain from the user agreement that would oppose someone remapping the samples to be used in a different sampler for their own purpose. This I would like to see, and since you are making direct claim that this is in violation of the user agreement then you have already found and read the specific section as you have clearly made a legal determination. Therefore, surely you can also take the time to produce the section that pertains to the issue. Or is quoting the user agreement copyright infringement too?
 
 

Nevermind, found it myself.
 
Quote:
"7. LIMITATION ON REVERSE ENGINEERING, DECOMPILING, COPYING AND DISASSEMBLY. You may NOT reverse engineer, decompile, copy or disassemble the Product. Customization of the libraries is bound by this clause and failure to comply will free Toontrack Music AB from its obligation to support the product. "

SToons

Glyn Barnes

pdarg


????????

As I said - I PURCHASED EZ Drummer some time ago - what is the issue?

You would need to read the licensing conditions, I don't have then to hand. Its pretty common to have a clause preventing the reverse engineering of software. Remapping the samples to a third party application would effectively give you a way of bypassing Toontrack's licensing control, so they are unlikely to approve. 
 

How is remapping the samples a legal violation of the agreement? Please quote.

No, I don't see any purpose to further discuss this issue.  I don't think that I could change your mind because it seems you want to split hairs over the wording of the user agreement.

On a positive note, Platinum Samples has a great interest in serving the users of Session Drummer and he is making his sample sets available to the users of Session Drummer 3.  The kits are very good and they work well in SD3 within the limitations of that product.

EZdrummer samples work the best in the context of Toontrack Samplers.  You will never get the same quality result using the Session Drummer 3 product and the EZX libraries.  So why do all that work for a lesser result.

Man, what a drag. I'm out of popcorn.

Mod Bod


Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying.

EZdrummer sample libraries are stored in a proprietary compressed file.  You can't load them in any other sampler than a Toontrack sampler like EZdrummer or Superior Drummer.   So the only way to use EZdrummer samples would be to create a new sample set by bouncing a series of drum hits at various velocity levels to audio and slicing and dicing them.  Since there are multiple samples per velocity layer as well as room mic samples that task would take up more time than it is worth anyway. 

That said, I recall reading correspondence with TT staff about creating your own set of samples in this way and they have a problem with it.  They will protect their creative property.  I was passing on advice to the OP that this might not be a good idea, especially announcing it on a public viewed forum.  Pdarg has been a regular around here and I didn't want to see him step in something he didn't want to step in.

I would agree that if this is the case, that the samples are stored in a proprietary format, then the issue perhaps changes. This was never mentioned in this thread before and was never mentioned or even alluded to by the OP or yourself. Of course I intend to verify this as I  don't own the sample set. I do have Superior Drummer and no, the samples such as the Ayotte kit are -not- in any proprietary format they are simple multi-channel wave files. You can open and convert the files in any decent wave editor. Hardly proprietary. Based on my experience I assumed the same for EZDrummer. Compressed files like flac are not proprietary either. I will ask - have you -verified- that they are proprietary and how did you do so? So until I verify this statement I can't comment specifically. Again, notice the hesitation to pass judgement until facts are -verified-?
 
However, I will point out that there are numerous examples of samplers loading and/or converting sample sets from other companies, including those in actual proprietary formats, for example, Kontakt opening Gigasampler files, or programs like CDXtract that will convert Akai, SF2, Giga, Kontakt, Halion...the list goes on. I have yet to see a single sample company -ever- object to or pursue the extraneous use of samples that have . been paid for but I guess there's always a first. Products like Spectrasonics Trilogy etc. and Gigasampler have used proprietary formats by storing all samples in a single dat file so TTracks certainly isn't the first if indeed that is the case.

pdarg


Yes I agree. It's not worth the time and effort.
 
But I DO like those Platinum Samples - so i think I will get those instead - thanks for the tip.

Check out the Cakewalk Store - several new Platinum Sample Libraries for Session Drummer 3 just released.

ModBod I see that Platinum Samples now offer quite a few expansion packs for SD3. Thanks for that tip. I wonder if they are going to offer more exp packs for BFD Eco? (hint hint!) 

Rail I looked on the site and it only shows a few kits that work with Eco. So I could get any of them and they would all work? Would they install correctly on tier own? Or would I have to do something on my own?