SI bass on sonar X3 Help

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2014/05/20 20:28:32 (permalink)

SI bass on sonar X3 Help

 very new to this whole thing got sonar x3  loaded ,up and running recorded some guitar tracks ,very nice ,played around with session drummer ,again very nice.Am discovering all the things this program is capable of .my problem now is i want to progarm a bass line using the step sequencer on the SI bass soft synth. session drummer has lots of info around about how to use it but alas, finding info on using the step sequencer  on SI bass not so much. anyone out the steer me in the right direction 
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    dubdisciple
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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/20 20:38:38 (permalink)
    There is an old video on youtube thay demonstratesbusing the step sequencer with bass. If you have not found by the time I get home I will look fo it
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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/20 20:40:15 (permalink)
    I'm in a rush, so here is just a brief suggestion.
     
    SI Bass is easier to program (record) via a midi keyboard. You can use Note Quantize function to correct timings, or double click the clip to the Piano Roll view for additional editing. 
     
    For screen input with mouse, use the Piano Roll view. Although you can use the Step Sequencer, I find it much easier for musical phrases to be record/edited via midi recording and Piano Roll view.
     
    I use Step Sequencer mainly for beats related inputs.

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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/20 23:24:41 (permalink)
    I use Step Sequencer all the time - though I OWE folks an honest attempt at getting used to using Piano Roll View.
     
    So, you select the midi track for SI Bass, open Step Sequencer, and set the number of beats you want for that particular clip, set the note range, by either using the default note rows that show up, or delete all but one of those rows, change the note number for the one remaining row, and then hit the '+' sign over and over to add note rows above in ascending order, then start entering note events.
     
    You can then edit things like velocity, etc., for each note row, as desired.
     
    Please detail your attempts thus far to use Step Sequencer, and the struggles you are having, so I know how to best guide you.
     
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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/23 11:39:09 (permalink)
    thanks for the responses to my question don't have  a midi keyboard yet and am as i said brand new to the DAW world ' getting a late start to say the least find that  my head starts to spin quite a lot the deeper i go into this world although in  a good way have looked for vid on you tube but will give another try . find that i learn better when i can watch someone do something and then copy there steps myself . Im a little slow ,lol. again, thanks for the help. and will update on my progress. hopefully will post something that shows what im up to . am working on doing a version of the clapton song badge  as away of learning how to use the program in a practical way as it is a song i love and am very familiar with .      
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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/23 12:12:48 (permalink)
    dub havent found vid on youtube possible to get a link? thanks
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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/23 12:34:20 (permalink)

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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/23 15:50:07 (permalink)
    Thanks much cj
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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/24 01:58:46 (permalink)
    Sorry I forgot to subscribe to this thread to remind myself
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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/24 11:41:06 (permalink)
    Took me a bit to find but this video describes using step sequencer for bass lines:Program Beats & Lines with SONAR 7's Step Sequenc…: http://youtu.be/4AkIZvZ5aXA

    It shows older version of step sequencer but everything still applies. It begins with drums and discusses mase towards the end
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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/24 12:13:38 (permalink)
    You are really going to want to get a MIDI/ usb keyboard controller. It is dredfully painfull to enter notes manually. In a way you have to know a lot more about music notation to get good results.
     
    Another option is Google " Badge, MIDI" and you will most likely find a midi file for the song. Use that to work up your own version. Always "open" these files, do not import them. Insert the TTS-1 and assign all the tracks to it. Later you can insert other synths and mess around. Great way to learn Sonar too.

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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/25 13:51:48 (permalink)
    agree about midi controller went ahead and ordered a alesis Q25 to get me started .thanks for the suggestion about the badge midi file will check it out
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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/25 13:53:03 (permalink)
    maybe a dumb question but whats a TTS-1?
     
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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/25 14:06:35 (permalink)
    ok. know what TTS-1 is duh lol 
     
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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/25 15:03:43 (permalink)
    http://www.midiworld.com/files/917/
     
    http://download.efmidi.com/midi-18535-download-cream-badge_2.html
     
    Not the greatest versions, second one sounded better on my office computer using WMP ( mswavetable synth)  but just an example. Took me less than a minute.
    Most peoples first reaction is Wow, that sounds terrible. Mostly it's because of the really dreadfull attempt at guitars and lead vocals using the infomous "sax" patch. You can do wonders with these lame attempts at music. I look for a well done drum track , these two sound like junk from band in a box. Oh well, but just to get the hang of the game:
     
    Open the file into Sonar.
    Insert TTS-1
    Go to "tracks" and assign all outputs to the TTS-1
    Delete any blank tracks to tidy up, look for little dots on empty tracks that might not start until further along first.
    The tracks might be correctly labled as to what they are.
    Solo each track and lable if needed.
    Mute all the bad guitar and at least turn them way down until you have the bass and drum parts in focus.
    Now start adding your own real instruments.
    re do the drum track
    Add keyboard etc.
    Main thing is it might give you a good template of the arrangement, tempo and even one well played track.
     
     
    http://www.hotfiles.co.za/midi/dire/     
     
    I was trying to find an example of some tracks that have better drum tracks. This version of Sultans is more to my likings.

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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/25 16:12:31 (permalink)
    Am I right in thinking SI instruments don't work on a x64 implemented system?
    Could that be the problem?
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    Re: SI bass on sonar X3 Help 2014/05/25 21:11:06 (permalink)
    Si instruments work just fine on x64 systems
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