SMF-0 SMF-1?

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2006/10/29 21:52:06 (permalink)

SMF-0 SMF-1?

Hi!

Can anyone enlighten me on these files? My keyboard can transmit both, but is there one that is preferable to use with Sonar Home Studio 4?
This is part of my midi-learning process...

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    daveny5
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    RE: SMF-0 SMF-1? 2006/10/29 22:16:26 (permalink)
    There are two types of Standard MIDI Files, 0 and 1.

    Type 0 puts all of the MIDI channels on 1 track. Type 1 puts each channel on a separate track. I generally prefer each channel on a separate track.

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    RE: SMF-0 SMF-1? 2006/10/29 22:20:50 (permalink)
    Thanks Dave,

    obviously I would also. However, why would anyone want all the channels on 1 track to begin with?

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    RE: SMF-0 SMF-1? 2006/10/29 22:28:46 (permalink)
    Type 0 is an older format from the days when file size mattered and sequencers had a limited number of tracks.

    If you open a Type 0 MIDI file in Home Studio, it will ask you if you want it to put each channel on a separate track.
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    RE: SMF-0 SMF-1? 2006/10/29 22:30:06 (permalink)
    that's an older technology/standard and is used mainly for legacy compatibility. others might have some usefulness for it otherwise, too, tho.

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    RE: SMF-0 SMF-1? 2006/10/29 22:34:38 (permalink)
    Ok,

    I guess I'll stick to SMF-1 then. Thanks Dave and Beagle!

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    RE: SMF-0 SMF-1? 2006/10/30 00:06:22 (permalink)
    With SMF0, all the data is stored in one track. Each piece of data is prefixed with the number of the MIDI channel to which it refers. Because no clever formatting is required, SMF0 files can be played back "on-the-fly" - in other words, you don't need to load any data in advance, it can be played back AS it is read.

    SMF1 on the other hand consists of (strictly) anything up to 32 tracks of data. Each track is assigned to a MIDI channel when it starts up; the individual bits of data on each track are now NOT assigned a MIDI channel - this is assigned to the track they are on. Because a new track can start up on any MIDI channel at any time during the song, it is not possible to play this type of file "on-the-fly".



    Sonic .....thats a little more info from a Synth site I occassionally checkout.


    Good Luck.
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    RE: SMF-0 SMF-1? 2006/10/30 10:33:04 (permalink)
    Thanks Zungle,

    I gather then that both of them work in SH4, but I still don't understand what all that means though...

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    RE: SMF-0 SMF-1? 2006/10/30 10:48:52 (permalink)
    from a standpoint of SHS, it means the following:

    If you open/import a MIDI 0 file in SHS, it will open with all of the data on ONE TRACK.

    If you open/import a MIDI 1 file in SHS, it will open with all of the data on SEVERAL TRACKS (provided that there were several tracks when saved).

    All notes would be in the same track for MIDI 0, but you can have up to 32 tracks of different parts for MIDI 1.

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    RE: SMF-0 SMF-1? 2006/10/30 12:53:25 (permalink)
    Beagle or Daveny5....

    I didn't bother to look(I'm at work).

    Which format does SHS export? Because its newer I'm assuming SMF1.

    Thanks
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    RE: SMF-0 SMF-1? 2006/10/30 13:23:42 (permalink)
    Actually, both. You can save or import as either MIDI 0 or MIDI 1. At least for SHS4, I don't know about earlier versions.

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    RE: SMF-0 SMF-1? 2006/10/30 14:29:19 (permalink)
    Thanks.....

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    RE: SMF-0 SMF-1? 2006/10/30 16:29:28 (permalink)
    This is odd...

    When I insert a floppy(MIDI-files) saved in SMF-0 and open it in SH4, it opens with all of the tracks properly aligned. When I do the same with SMF-1, it does the same except that the timing is off(?). A track, for example, that started on the 2nd measure would now start on the 2nd measure, but on the third beat after being bounced from a soft-synth...

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