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SOLVED Can't install anything since last Win 10 update

I was thinking that there was something wrong with my iZotope Neutrino download, till I tried to install some other stuff.
Nothing happens for a long time, when I try to "run as admin", then I get a message saying "The service failed to respond in a timely manner".  I can't seem to defrag it, either. I thought that might help.
 
I did just get an update from Windows 10, so I suppose MS is to blame.... LOL
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Michael
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/17 06:54:28 (permalink)
I have all the Win 10 updates and the Neutrino installed without problems. 
 
Trying Neutrino, on a bass track, a vocal track and a guitar track and moving the two controls from one end to the other I heard no differences.

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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/17 09:06:56 (permalink)
Thanks fireberd      My latest update didn't install properly and I spent 2 hours last night with MS Support trying to sort it. I gave up and went to bed! LOL Maybe today, but it's not Neutrino. I can't run any exe, nor defrag and who knows what else!?!?!
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/17 13:44:12 (permalink)
Just got back home and my desktop seems to be doing better. I am actually defragging it now and that seems a relief.
I also installed Neutrino and will check it out in a bit.
 
So, maybe I'm good to go....
Michael
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/17 15:53:43 (permalink)
I was going to suggest a System Restore point before the update (if you have System Restore activated).  I don't know that defrag will fix anything as that is not for OS problems.
 
 

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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/17 16:03:20 (permalink)
Thanks.
Things are working now. I am much more hopeful and do have an MS Support Reference # which I may follow up on depending on how things are or continue to work. I did set a restore point today and wonder if I had any earlier ones, since I have had System Restore on. I don't know how to check on that, yet.
 
Neutrino seems to be working and I have some other things to install, so we'll see.
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/18 09:28:49 (permalink)
Though I haven't checked which build of Windows 10 I have, the update must have re-updated and that worked, apparently. LOL
Everything "that I noticed", is now as it should be. So, I suppose I'm good to go.........
I've set a restore point and will make an image backup, too.
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/18 10:49:38 (permalink)
This brings up the topic of posibly shutting down windows update once you have your DAW working perfectly. I unplug mine ( LAN) after I update Sonar.  My office computer has been totally messed up 3 times this summer.
It returns to the default preferences which I hate. I just spent 20 minutes last nigh re setting my preferances,, you shouldn't have to do that.   Our Laptop at work has lost the DVD drive and Lenovo support thinks the drive might have been un installed during an automatic update. I'll have to do a restore I guess. 

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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/18 11:38:10 (permalink)
I was thinking about that myself, John and am hoping the image and restore point (if I can keep them fresh and up to date!)will save me some grief.
 
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/18 13:28:28 (permalink)
I had two desktops (one is gone) and a laptop.  Both are on Win 10 and no problems with updates or Sonar (or any other software or hardware).  I see some people with various problems on the Windows 10 forum   www.tenforums.com   but that is only a small number as the majority do not have problems.  I just worked a problem on there of a user with (DPC) latency problems and getting pops and clicks in audio.  As it turned out the PC (laptop) he upgraded was originally designed for Windows XP and had been upgraded to Win 7 and then Win 10 and a Win 10 incompatible Wi-Fi adapter.  Another "self inflicted" problem, the user should have installed a 32 bit OS but had Win 10 64 bit installed with only 4GB of RAM. 

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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/18 13:52:50 (permalink)
I am certainly in the "don't really know enough about PCs" camp, but I learn something new each week from Scott Garrigus and DigiFreq and all the knowledgeable folks here.
 
Today I have to learn to make an image backup file. I don't have an extra thumbdrive on hand, so I am assuming I can to this to my F Backup drive. I must not understand though, because it's telling me I need 454 Gb. So I must be starting off on the wrong foot(assumption).
 
Obviously, I'm going to learn another crucial thing today! LOL
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/18 14:50:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2016/09/18 17:20:04
What program are you using to make the backup?  Programs such as Macrium Reflect (they have a free version that will make disc images (backups)) will compress the data to a smaller size for the backup.   Acronis True Image does the same thing, but I don't know if they have a free version.
 
http://www.majorgeeks.com...lect_free_edition.html

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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/18 15:12:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2016/09/18 17:20:11
One way to stop those "forced" Windows 10 updates, until you have a fresh image and are ready to take the leap, is to use the "Metered WiFi" hack. 
 
Well it's not actually a hack, but it is really effective.  It's provided by Microsoft, but only if you are using a WiFi connection on your PC, to prevent you from exceeding your monthly bandwidth allocation.   No go if you are using an Ethernet cable.
 
You see, the thing is, they actually trust you to tell them the connection is metered. They have no way of knowing if you really do.
 
If you do this, Windows will not download any updates until you click the button to do so.
 
I do this on both the Windows 10 Home and Pro editions, and it works perfectly 
 
http://lifehacker.com/ena...-10-updates-1723316525
 
Just a cautionary FYI:  This is a per WiFi access point, or hotspot feature.  If you are mobile and connect to a new WiFi hotspot, you will also need to enable the metered WiFi flag for that connection.  Or you may get surprised with some new Windows updates!
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/18 15:57:47 (permalink)
Thanks to both of you!   I'll check out those links.
My desktop has the Windows 7 create image thingy. I don't have Acronis on the desktop, only the laptop and don't recall if you can use it on more than one PC.
Both my PC's use the WiFi, so I suppose I should check into that.
I had 222gb of stuff on C that didn't need to be there at all, so I moved all of it. Now I'm ready to try an image, though I do like the idea of a recovery drive. I have a 1Tb external drive, but don't want to give up what's on it, so I will have to do more research.
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/18 16:20:21 (permalink)
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Thanks to both of you!   I'll check out those links.
My desktop has the Windows 7 create image thingy. I don't have Acronis on the desktop, only the laptop and don't recall if you can use it on more than one PC.
Both my PC's use the WiFi, so I suppose I should check into that.
I had 222gb of stuff on C that didn't need to be there at all, so I moved all of it. Now I'm ready to try an image, though I do like the idea of a recovery drive. I have a 1Tb external drive, but don't want to give up what's on it, so I will have to do more research.
Michael
 


 
 
Desktop External Hard Drives.  These keep getting cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Des...-414?Order=BESTSELLING
 
Pair one with with Macrium Reflect Free, & your problem is solved.
http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/19 06:35:26 (permalink)
The Windows backup does not backup the entire hard drive.  Thus if you need to restore you must first manually install (I think Windows) and some other items, then restore what was backed up.
 
If you use a true backup program, such as Macrium or Acronis, you will be able to make a full hard drive backup (disc image).  Then if restore is needed, it restores everything. 
 
If you create a rescue disc with Acronis (or Macrium) you can use that on any PC to restore (booting and running from the rescure disc).

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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/19 07:36:15 (permalink)
Thanks Jack! That clarifies things. I see the huge time saving advantage of full restore and hadn't even thought about a rescue disc. It would be a relief to create a rescue disc (or 2!), since we don't have one for Windows 10 and have 6 PCs between my wife and I(most started with 8.1 and downloaded 10)! I think her tablet is still Windows 7.
 
I suppose a rescue flash drive is on the same level (assuming they are equally stable/permanent/secure)as a disc. How big would those need to be? 16gb or more?
 
Our laptops have 2 drives each and the desktops have 3, plus we each have an external. I suppose I really should get a 4 or 5 Tb external for this "plan". Mine is only 1Tb and that seems short sighted now! LOL
 
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/19 10:34:24 (permalink)
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 It would be a relief to create a rescue disc (or 2!), since we don't have one for Windows 10 and have 6 PCs between my wife and I(most started with 8.1 and downloaded 10)! I think her tablet is still Windows 7.
 



Macrium Reflect v6.1 has a WinPE Rescue Media Wizard, that can create a specific version of the WinPE media for each version of Windows (Win 7/8/8.1/10).  This media needs to be created for each PC locally.
 
If you lose your Windows operating system, you can start your PC using Macrium Reflect rescue media on CD,
DVD, or USB stick. This makes creating rescue media the first thing you need to do with Macrium Reflect. It contains a bootable, lightweight version of Windows and a full version of Macrium Reflect.

This lightweight version of Windows is called Windows Pre-installation Environment (also known as Windows PE or WinPE) and is provided by Microsoft. When you create rescue media, Macrium Reflect downloads Windows PE
automatically for you and writes it to your media. It downloads just those components you need to rescue your
system.

Windows PE and the rescue environment

Windows PE is a reduced version of Microsoft Windows that is designed to boot from CD, DVD or USB on a wide
range of hardware. When you run the rescue media wizard, Macrium Reflect automatically downloads the Windows
PE components from Microsoft and builds the rescue environment locally. The Macrium Windows PE rescue media
has the following features:

>Fixes for boot problems
>RAID support
>USB 3.0 support
>CD boot
>USB boot
>Boot menu
>Full version of Macrium Reflect
>Reduced download size compared with full Windows Automated Installation Kit (WAIK) - 150 MB to 450 MB
(depending on PE version and 32- or 64-bit support)

Windows PE hardware support

The Macrium Rescue Environment needs to include support for your hardware such as USB ports, network
interfaces, and in particular for your storage device if for example you use RAID disks. The default Windows PE environment supports a good selection of hardware and you can add support for further devices.
 
For convenience or for automated restores to your system disk, you can add Windows PE to a boot menu that's
displayed when your system first starts. Although, do not rely upon this local copy as a rescue mechanism because it could be lost if you suffered hard disk failure or corruption leaving you without a method for rescuing your system.
 
 
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/19 10:36:34 (permalink)
I have Macrium Reflect.  I can create a WinPE "rescue" disc with a CD-R.  Not sure how big the current version of Acronis True Image needs to be. 

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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/19 10:42:09 (permalink)
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I have Macrium Reflect.  I can create a WinPE "rescue" disc with a CD-R.  Not sure how big the current version of Acronis True Image needs to be. 




I think I saw "up to 450MB" for Macrium, so yep, that should cover it. I saw a post in the Acronis forum that said 766MB required, and would not load on a 800MB CD-R, so DVD-R or USB may be required. https://forum.acronis.com/forum/72032
 
I saw a 3-pack of 16GB USB thumb drives in the store the other day for $15.  I think that's the way to go these days, but you won't really need all 16GB LOL!
 
EDIT: Some hoop jumping required to create WinPE in Acronis.
 
It seems that Acronis recommends their own rescue media "for most users", but also says:
 
WinPE-based media with Acronis plug-in
 
Running Acronis True Image in the preinstallation environment may provide better compatibility with your computer’s hardware because the preinstallation environment uses Windows drivers.
We recommend that you create this type of media, when Acronis bootable rescue media did not help you boot your computer.

To use this option, you need one the following components to be installed:
>Windows Automated Installation Kit (AIK).
This component is required for creating WinPE 3.0.
>Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (ADK).
This component is required for creating WinPE 4.0, WinPE 5.0, and WinPE 10.0.
 
 
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/19 12:02:01 (permalink)
One of the pluses of Macrium over Acronis is the WinPE rescue disc creation.  Acronis requires several manual steps to  create the WinPE.  Macrium just run their utility and it does all the work.

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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/19 12:05:44 (permalink)
You are referring to the free V6 version? Yes?
 
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Re: Can't install anything since last Win 10 update 2016/09/19 13:47:06 (permalink)
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You are referring to the free V6 version? Yes?
 


Take a look at the features table here.  WinPE rescue environment is listed under V6 FREE.
http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx
 
Also, their user guide is complete and very user friendly.  The link on the left side of this page has a link to the PDF version of the user guide.  HTH.
http://knowledgebase.macr...+Reflect+KnowledgeBase

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