shaggydawg
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[SOLVED] Help with a "simple" audio-to-MIDI conversion in Home Studio, or...?
Hello all, I'm running Home Studio and find myself with a need to convert an audio click track to a MIDI click track. So, nothing very complex. The reason is because the click varies in tempo in a random way, and my click sound source is a MIDI device. After researching a bit, I see that it can be done in other versions of Sonar by (I think) simply dragging the audio track onto an empty MIDI track, and maybe or maybe not needing the Melodyne plug-in. So, here I am with SONAR HS and no Melodyne. Is there a way to do the conversion with what I have? Are there other standalone apps that I can use to create the MIDI click track and import that into SONAR? Failing anything else, is there some kind soul with the right software who would be willing to convert the track? Thanks!
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Re: Help with a "simple" audio-to-MIDI conversion in Home Studio, or...?
2017/03/09 22:16:27
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Yes, you'll need Melodyne. See this: https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X3&language=3&help=NewFeatures.10.html There are some freeware utilities, but I have no experience with them. I have Melodyne Essential and will do the conversion, but please note from the link above... Note: Melodyne essential and Melodyne assistant only support monophonic audio data. If the audio source contains polyphonic material, the resulting MIDI conversion will be monophonic. Polyphonic audio-to-MIDI conversion is only supported in Melodyne editor. Send me a PM with a download link if you want me to do it.
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Re: Help with a "simple" audio-to-MIDI conversion in Home Studio, or...?
2017/03/09 22:31:16
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Audiosnap can do it if HS has that. There's a Copy As MIDI function in the AS Palette. In fact, based on past experience, I think AS generally does a better job than Melodyne at nailing transient timing - at least it did with the Pre-Platinum transient detection algorithm. Now transient markers tend to be placed a little late.
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Re: Help with a "simple" audio-to-MIDI conversion in Home Studio, or...?
2017/03/09 22:34:36
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shaggydawg
Hello all,
I'm running Home Studio and find myself with a need to convert an audio click track to a MIDI click track.
Yes Sonar Professional or Platinum come with Melodyne and it's dead simple to drag and drop a monophonic audio track to an empty midi track and generate midi data. It needs editing afterwards, my experience has been doing this with a snare audio track results in the midi notes not being one value but many. Sonars upper versions also have drum replacer. In older versions we used to use Audio Snap. But here is what you can do with what you have ( I think) Hopefully you have a midi controller keyboard or drum pad. Play along with the click track and try and hit the notes as close as possible. Once done you can always move the midi notes to perfect your click track. I'll fire up my copy of HS to see if you can extract a tempo map from this, but I think not.
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Re: Help with a "simple" audio-to-MIDI conversion in Home Studio, or...?
2017/03/09 22:40:56
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brundlefly
Audiosnap can do it if HS has that.
AudioSnap is Platinum and Pro only, but thank you for the tip!
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Re: Help with a "simple" audio-to-MIDI conversion in Home Studio, or...?
2017/03/09 22:45:57
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Once you have the click extracted, I assume you're going to want to have the project follow that tempo. That's also something that Audiosnap can do. Or you can use Fit Improvisation on a copy of the extracted MIDI as a sacrificial guide track.
I'm sure telecharge can fix you up, but I'd be glad to help as well. I almost never record initial takes to a click any more, so I've become pretty adept at fitting projects to freely play audio or MIDI.
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Re: Help with a "simple" audio-to-MIDI conversion in Home Studio, or...?
2017/03/09 22:47:09
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Telecharge, PM sent.
Thanks everyone. We'll see how it goes!
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Re: Help with a "simple" audio-to-MIDI conversion in Home Studio, or...?
2017/03/09 23:40:05
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I have Home Studio open right now and was digging around and alas there are no features that extract tempo or allow for audio to midi conversion. I'm afraid if this is important to you you would need to upgrade. Home Studio is only meant to be a basic recording DAW. You can do a lot with it but fancy features are all in the higher price brackets.
You will just have to do as I said and play the midi track along with the original audio and edit it to fit.
Audio to midi is anything but a simple process, it's actually quiet advanced.
May I ask what is the reason you need to do this? possibly there is another way to approach what your trying to achieve. Is this a recording of a real band?
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Re: Help with a "simple" audio-to-MIDI conversion in Home Studio, or...?
2017/03/09 23:50:58
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Re: Help with a "simple" audio-to-MIDI conversion in Home Studio, or...?
2017/03/09 23:59:51
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I tried an Intelliscore demo a decade or so ago; it was a bust. Not sure if it's evolved since then.
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Re: Help with a "simple" audio-to-MIDI conversion in Home Studio, or...?
2017/03/10 00:14:32
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OK The Inteliscore software seems like it's got a lot going on and gives you plenty of options. I don't have any more time to play with it today, but without reading the manual I just hacked my way through a convertion and it was real straight forward, software is super user friendly.. but. I exported a Kick Snare from a Sonar projects. I had to cut it to 30 seconds as this is the demo limitation.
The resulting midi drum track was a bit weird but it did come close.
First the song is 168 BPM and the conversion shows as 64 BPM,, so it played 2x fast. It also added Hi Hats??
Anyhow, it does work but I can see you probably have to fine tune things.
I can only imagine the crazy sounds you'd get if trying a would song like it claims it can do.. that I find hard to swallow. But, my song was a set tempo, I think if it creates a tempo map,, it might be worth the coin. I'll leave it to you to read the manual :)
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Re: Help with a "simple" audio-to-MIDI conversion in Home Studio, or...?
2017/03/10 21:22:19
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Not having the resources or really the time to sort it out this time, telecharge was kind enough to produce the conversion for me. I uploaded the audio track and he did the rest. You'd have to ask him for the details, but the result was a MIDI click track with the correct note numbers and perfect tempo tracking.
So cheers, "tele". Do you live near L.A.? I owe you a beer.
Thank you everyone for your responses. I learned a lot.
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