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SOLVED! I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too.

Hi, I've been working to try and solve this problem for a while and can't work out what to do - I'm desperate to do some recording. I'm using Sonar Artist. Whenever I record a 2nd audio track or more, the other tracks already recorded are also recorded to the new track and I can't work out how to isolate it so only what I'm playing/singing at the time is recorded to a given track. I'm sure it must be a simple fix but darned if I can work it out. I've read the documentation but nothing seems to be related or helping. I've searched this forum but can't find anything (or just don't know the right terms to use). Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thank you.
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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/11 03:35:37 (permalink)
Yep, sounds a little weird. Maybe some information on how you're setting up your track to record, and maybe some info on your audio device and system specs.
I see you have your account set up since 2015, so I'm assuming you're not recording for the very first time. If, on the other hand, this is your first attempt, there are probably some really obvious things to look for. Let me know know how your set up and I'll (or others with much more knowledge than me) will try to help.

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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/11 04:20:13 (permalink)
That's usually either a "What You Hear" setting on the mixer applet of certain audio interfaces or headphones bleeding previously recorded tracks into a microphone.

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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/11 06:02:24 (permalink)
Hi rebel007, thank you for your reply. 
I have done some recording before with this program and it worked fine. It's been updated several times since then and the problem has surfaced now that I'm trying to record again. 
 
Soundcard: Creative SB X-Fi
Windows 10 Pro, 64bit, Intel Core i7-4770K @ 3.50GHz, 32 gig RAM
Sonar Artist Version: 23.8.0 BUILD 30
 
As for setup, I just start a new project, add a few audio tracks, and start recording.
Input: Stereo Creative ASIO Mix FL (does it with Mono too) - ASIO Mix FL is the only input that works.
Output: Creative ASIO Front L/R
"Line In" is the only active input device in the sound card Recording properties.
"Speakers" is the only active output device in the Playack properties.
 
I've tried loading a sample tune and adding a track to that but same thing happens, all the tracks bleed onto the new track when recording. 
All my gear is going into my mixer then into the computer via the Line In port on the sound card. I"m running a Roland VG99 plugged into the USB but disconnecting that makes no difference. 
 
Hi StepD,
Thank you, I checked for the "What You Hear" setting and can't find one in the properties for my sound card. I haven't plugged in the Mic yet, still trying to get the guitar and rhythm working first.
 
 
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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/11 08:07:24 (permalink)
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Hi StepD,
Thank you, I checked for the "What You Hear" setting and can't find one in the properties for my sound card. I haven't plugged in the Mic yet, still trying to get the guitar and rhythm working first.
 





Creative interfaces are actually the usual culprits for the "What You Hear" problem you're describing. I don't really know anything about Creative Win10 drivers, but while Sonar is running, right click the speaker icon in the Win10 taskbar, choose Open Volume Mixer and see if one of the volume controls under Applications is labeled "What You Hear." Also, check the link below to see if your interface supports "What You Hear" in Win10. I still think there's a good chance that's what your problem is.
 
http://support.creative.c...Article.aspx?sid=87127

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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/11 11:38:42 (permalink)
yeah, i remember that happening for me too way back when i 1st got music creator 6.......do you have digital in pressed on?, are you highlighting more than one track when you hit record?

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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/11 12:16:23 (permalink)
 
 
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Creative interfaces are actually the usual culprits for the "What You Hear" problem you're describing. I don't really know anything about Creative Win10 drivers, but while Sonar is running, right click the speaker icon in the Win10 taskbar, choose Open Volume Mixer and see if one of the volume controls under Applications is labeled "What You Hear." Also, check the link below to see if your interface supports "What You Hear" in Win10. I still think there's a good chance that's what your problem is.
 




I did what you suggested and found a "What You Hear" option under Recording in the sound properties however it's disabled so shouldn't be active. Having said that, from what you say it still might be lurking somewhere...I don't have another soundcard on hand to test it out. 
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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/11 12:27:41 (permalink)
paul jenkins
 
yeah, i remember that happening for me too way back when i 1st got music creator 6.......do you have digital in pressed on?, are you highlighting more than one track when you hit record?



Hi paul, I'm not sure about "do you have digital in pressed on?" - is that in Sonar or audio properties? All digital audio is disabled in the soundcard audio properties. I only have the target track highlighted when recording.
 
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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/11 13:24:59 (permalink)
Ah, it probably depends on your soundcard, but i had a sound card where digital in actived with a button, hmm, my new soundcard presonus audiobox 1818vst you go into set up to turn it on?.......im fairly amateur at sound engineering so i wouldnt take me too seriously......but yeah, digital in had that feature where it just records everything?....so just saying?

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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/11 15:14:40 (permalink)
It sounds as if your routing for those other tracks are being sent to newly recorded tracks.
It does sound like a soundcard issue but I would check my routing for those tracks.
Make sure you are recording on to audio tracks, not AUX tracks (not even sure Artist has those).
Check the output of previously recorded material. If those tracks are being feed to new tracks your recording on, that's your problem.
 
For what its worth (I know you probably know this) but if your going to do any serious guitar, bass, microphone recordings and want them to sound semi professional.. Get a cheap soundcard.
I highly recommend a Focusrite Scarlett. I have owned several of them and they have great pre amps and can be bought for under 100 bucks. Matter of fact you can get a good one used for under 100 bucks.

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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/11 21:22:01 (permalink)
if you buy a 2nd hand one, just google and check that you can still get drivers for it, ive got an old edirol external sound card, after 13 years it is still in %100 working condition, however they stopped driver updates for it at windows 7.

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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/11 21:45:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby DonM 2018/03/13 10:30:21
The best advice I can give is if you want to record audio with any sort of quality and no hassles--- Buy a proper audio interface. 
They start at around $100 and go up. 
Personal experience with Creative sound cards-- I wasted 2 years of my life fighting to get it to work. 
Your tracks will be out of snyc with each other as well. 
The problem is Creatives ASIO driver is very poorly done. Try a loopback test if you don't believe me. 
 
https://www.centrance.com/downloads/ltu/  
 
Here's my blurb on Audio interfaces. 
http://www.cactusmusic.ca/Recording.htm
 
 
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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/11 21:49:29 (permalink)
"All my gear is going into my mixer then into the computer via the Line In port on the sound card"
 
You mention that all your instruments go into a mixer and then into the line in of your audio card. Do you run the output of your audio card through the mixer as well? 

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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/12 10:44:15 (permalink)
I think reginaldStjohn may have hit something. If you are routing everything back out through the mixer then you may be experiencing a loop somewhere in the mixer that is adding to your newly recorded track.

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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/12 12:07:31 (permalink)
I found the full name of the card I'm using, it's a Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium PCIe Fatal1ty Champ Series. I paid $200AUD for it in 2013 so it's 5 years old now, maybe it needs replacing? 
 
There is no routing back to the mixer (unless it's happening in the software somehow?), the only input to the soundcard is through the soundcard's "Line In" jack (from the mixer) and out to the speakers through the speaker jack.
 
Sadly I have no old files to test as they all got lost in a total meltdown of my last computer. 
 
I've disabled everything in the soundcard except the line in and the speakers out, no digital buttons are activated - it's still recording from other active tracks even though the target track is the only one with the record activated. If I mute the other tracks they don't record which does lead me back to wondering if there is a "What You Hear" function somewhere that I haven't found. 
 
I was going to reset the preferences in case I messed up something there but there doesn't seem to be an option for that. I could try uninstalling and reinstalling Sonar in case there's a bug or something going on. I can't find it in the uninstall programs so guess I'd have to uninstall the Command Centre and start fresh?
 
Cactus Music: Thank you, that's a lot of great info there and on the linked page!  
 
Thanks to everyone, I really appreciate your input. 
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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/12 17:34:56 (permalink)
What you have is a really good soundcard for listening to you tube and media on your PC.
What you need is a really good soundcard for recording music.
 
In order to have multi track layering (record each instrument separately on its own track) you need multiple inputs. you don't have multiple inputs. You have one input (your line in on your soundcard).
My advise to you right now is to record one instrument at a time and layer them.
Its really your only option. Most but not all newer soundcards (for recording audio) have 2 inputs.
So you can record 2 instruments at a time and they will go to different tracks (no bleed).
Even 90% of mixing boards with a USB plug don't have multi track compatibility's.
 
Build a song from the ground up:
1- Start with drums. its dictates the tempo and prevents drift.
2- add guitars with main melody (I typically do bass)
3- record Bass tracks
4- piano
5- vocals.
 
It has to be done in phases if you want to have everything on separate tracks.

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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/12 18:09:34 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby guitaruke 2018/03/21 06:45:07
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Input: Stereo Creative ASIO Mix FL (does it with Mono too) - ASIO Mix FL is the only input that works.


This is 'WhatUHear' by another name. 'Stereo Mix' is the output sigal, so you're re-recording the playback of existing tracks via an internal path in the soundcard. The input needs to be set to something like 'Line In' or 'Mic In'.
 
If you don't see those inputs available as a track Input, then either they aren't enabled in Audio preferences or the driver isn't exposing them to the O/S or there's some another setting in the Creative software that needs to be changed. If this was working previously, you might need to reinstall the driver. If all else fails try WDM driver mode in SONAR instead of ASIO.

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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/13 02:52:37 (permalink)
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This is 'WhatUHear' by another name. 'Stereo Mix' is the output sigal, so you're re-recording the playback of existing tracks via an internal path in the soundcard. The input needs to be set to something like 'Line In' or 'Mic In'.
 


OMG brundlefly - you nailed it - problem solved!!!   
 
You were spot on about the Mix FL being another name for What U Hear...I had no idea. I found a driver setting that allowed for "Creative ASIO Line /Mic /Aux L" and tried that one instead and voila - I can now record each track independently with zero bleed while still being able to listen to them as I'm recoding. It's all working perfectly now and I can happily get on with some recording. Thank you so much! 
 
Thank you to everyone who replied, I really appreciate your taking the time to help out and I learned a lot from your detailed comments. 
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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/20 17:26:31 (permalink)
Late checking back in, but glad to hear it, and glad to help. 
 
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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/20 17:33:18 (permalink)
Please change your thread title to start with the word SOLVED if you get a moment.
 
then people that see the thread in a search will know they can go here for a possible solution to a similar problem.
 
 
 

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Re: I'm stumped! Can't record a track without other tracks recording too. 2018/03/21 06:46:28 (permalink)
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Please change your thread title to start with the word SOLVED if you get a moment.
 
then people that see the thread in a search will know they can go here for a possible solution to a similar problem.
 
 

 
Thanks Lanceindastudio, I have now done this. 
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