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[SOLVED] RME Babyface: not feeling the love
Hey Guys: I took the plunge and grabbed an RME Babyface (used). From what I had read about it I was expecting an Epiphany of the All. I gotta say I'm a bit underwhelmed and sorely disappointed. The highest audio buffer settings it allows are 2048 samples. Because of that most every project I work on has ticks and pops a-plenty (my biggest projects have 10 audio files with probably 30 plugins). Am I missing something? Is there a way to increase the buffer size beyond the 2048 samples? I think I see why the previous owner sold it. Even my crash crazy Roland Quad-Capture let me use a higher buffer setting. Hoping there's an answer that's easy. OS Windows 7, 4th Gen icore 7, 1TB Harddrive, 16 gigs Ram, wifi disabled.
post edited by jude77 - 2017/01/18 21:55:01
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Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/17 21:12:24
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are you using WDM or ASIO driver mode?
neither will let you increase the buffer size beyond what the drivers will allow, but ASIO will probably give you a better RTL, which means the higher buffer size should give you more room for plugins before popping and clicking start.
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Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/17 21:24:27
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Hi Beagle:
Thanks for the response. I'm using ASIO.
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Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 05:57:10
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RME is know as functioning good with LOW latency. You are asking for HI latency settings. That means either your system is on the limit for plug-ins you are using (can be CPU and/or memory) or there is some "show stopper" in the system.
To test the second, create a project with several audio tracks, without any effects nor synth, set RME to 128 (64) buffer and check you do not have cracks/pops.
If the problem is the first and you are not going to upgrade, try switch to WDM mode and increase buffers. WDM with huge buffers is in general forgiving (by design, to avoid pops and cracks with Windows normal audio playing), ASIO is for low latency (which you are in any case not going to have with 2048+ buffer size).
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Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 07:08:16
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The buffer doubles at double rates on the RME. I'm with Azslow3. I think you have a computer related issue... when you run Resplendant's latency monitor, what is the result? Check out the drivers tab... what are your worst offenders?
It is highly probable that by making a few tweaks on your computer your problems will be a thing of the past.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 07:10:46
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Also don't forget DigiCheck. This is an RME tool separate from the driver that I use often.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 09:16:42
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First: Delete your aud.ini file
C:\Users\Your Name\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum\aud.ini
SONAR will "rebuild" the aud file.
Then start "troubleshooting" if you have any issues.
You have the latest drivers from RME? Win 1098, although any "recent" driver should work fine.
What else is on the USB root hub?
I keep the interfaces (Babyface in the office, UFX in the studio) on a root hub by themselves.
Device Manager > USB Bus Controllers
Somethin' ain't right if Snap, Crackle and Pop are haunting you at 2048.
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Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 10:53:09
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Thank you guys!! I will start testing immediately.
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Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 14:01:00
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Curious whether you indeed find something. My observation when going from Roland to MOTU AVB (which is much superior in terms of low latency performance) was that at hi buffers the old Roland beats the new MOTU. I actually got one project in my archives which still worked on the Roland on 2048 buffers, but not on the MOTU (highest buffers would drop out). I traced it down to a vocoder type of effect on 2 tracks that once I freeze them, all is fine and on par with both interfaces.
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Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 15:11:29
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Hey Guys:
An update: I ran latency monitor and it advised me to change my power settings (I increased them) and to update my BIOS (which I did). I'm now running a 10 track audio project LOADED with plugins at a buffer of 512!! Sweeeeeeeeeet!!!
Thanks to each of you who responded to my cry and threw me a lifeline. I appreciate EVERYONE of you!!!!
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Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 16:45:02
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☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/01/18 17:30:29
Jude,
Update your OP with the word SOLVED please. I had to read 9 posts to see what others offered only to find that there is no longer a problem and your OP (to the noob) would seem negative.
And maybe edit the bodo of the with a bold "SOLVED: SEE POST # 10"
Just a thought.
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Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 18:16:03
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jude77
Hey Guys:
An update: I ran latency monitor and it advised me to change my power settings (I increased them) and to update my BIOS (which I did). I'm now running a 10 track audio project LOADED with plugins at a buffer of 512!! Sweeeeeeeeeet!!!
Thanks to each of you who responded to my cry and threw me a lifeline. I appreciate EVERYONE of you!!!!
Sorry but that's not RME performance. There is still something wrong. A Focusrite 212 could match that.
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Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 18:31:11
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bapu
Just a thought.
I thought I smelled smoke. :-P 512 is high for RME. You probably have a number of little tweaks you could do... like disabling USB suspension. Does latency monitor say you can handle real time audio for hours on end?
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SOLVED See post #10 Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 21:21:28
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Hi Guys:
I dropped the buffer size to 128 and all went well. I haven't tried any less than that, because I'm able to work with that fine, but I'll still give it a check.
And can somebody tell me how to mark this thread "solved"? I'll be glad to update.
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Re: SOLVED See post #10 Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 21:30:08
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Edit the original post to update.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: SOLVED See post #10 Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 21:58:06
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Just as a closing note I opened a project with 14 audio tracks (with plugins) and 3 softsynths. Dropped the buffer to 64 samples: no pops. 48 samples: a few pops, but only occasionally. Feels a bit like a miracle.
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Re: SOLVED See post #10 Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/01/18 22:04:40
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/01/22 10:36:40
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: SOLVED See post #10 Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/02/08 10:57:23
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Just updated the firmware and drivers for my Behringer UFX1204 which was a bit buggy in Windows 10, set the buffers all the way down to 48/1.0 ms in the Control Panel but Sonar reports it as 96/2.0 ms. Latency is 10.8 roundtrip - 3.4 IN & 7.4 OUT under ASIO. @48K/24b effective latency is 2ms.... So far, so good. Latency monitor says I may have difficulty handling real-time audio and other tasks and may experience drop outs. So far, not happening. Highest measured interupt @6 min.: 929.5 Highest reported ISR time: 152.3 Highest reported DPC time: 1122.9 Don't know what all that means. My old(er) MOTU wouldn't go anywhere that low without serious trouoble in Windows 7. Haven't tried it with Windows 10 yet.
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Re: SOLVED See post #10 Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/02/08 11:19:23
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wait....
does that mean you now feel love?
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Re: SOLVED See post #10 Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/02/08 12:34:44
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batsbrew
wait....
does that mean you now feel love?
Isn't that a Donna Summer tune?  Glad the OP has the Babyface now working well... FWIW, If the machine can keep up with the load (and has low/consistent DPC Latency), you can effectively work at a 48-sample ASIO buffer size. I rarely bump my RME Fireface UFX off the 48-sample ASIO buffer size. At higher sample-rates, this buffer size is doubled to 96-samples (still provides low round-trip latency)... and it's completely glitch-free.
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Re: SOLVED See post #10 Re: RME Babyface: not feeling the love
2017/02/08 17:32:23
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batsbrew
wait....
does that mean you now feel love?
I am!! Lots and lots!! Very happy.
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