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SOLVED Studio Instruments, How Do I Use?

I didn't think I got Studio Instruments with the new cwbl, but I was looking at my downloads and saw it there. I installed it and sure enough I do have it. but I have no idea how to use it. Don't see it under synths. How do I assign a new midi track to it?
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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/05 05:45:35 (permalink)
They should appear under the VST2 Synth insert as "SI-[whatever]" If they don't, try a quick rescan of plugins.

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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/05 06:09:55 (permalink)
I'm having the same problem.  I know I installed it, and mines not showing up either.  Not even after rescanning the plugins.  That being said, I'm still fairly new to Sonar/CWBL so it's possible I'm not looking in the right place.  I don't see anything as to where to even find the VST Synth insert.  
 
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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/05 21:36:45 (permalink)
I now have the "synth" up and running, and can play it with its built-in keyboard, but still can't figure out how to play it with my midi keyboard, or assign tracks to it, etc. I copied a violin line to the audio track it's "on," but it doesn't play.
 
The way I got it thus far was I inserted an audio track, and in the FX bin I was able to locate it.
 
I also had to add it to my scan paths and rescan my plugins.

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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/05 21:52:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby davehorch 2018/04/06 17:09:11
While Cakewalk still supports adding synth in audio FX bins that has not been the recommended process for years. Synths should be added to a project either with the add track button, one of the insert synth menu options or drag and drop from the browser into a blank area in the track view.
 
A synth needs at least one audio and one MIDI track or an instrument track.
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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/05 22:04:32 (permalink)
 I copied a violin line to the audio track it's "on," but it doesn't play.
 

Because MIDI is not audio. So you need to put MIDI Data onto a MIDI track and audio onto an audio track. MIDI for the instrument track as well.
 
 

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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 01:20:08 (permalink)
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While Cakewalk still supports adding synth in audio FX bins that has not been the recommended process for years. Synths should be added to a project either with the add track button, one of the insert synth menu options or drag and drop from the browser into a blank area in the track view.
 
A synth needs at least one audio and one MIDI track or an instrument track.


Perhaps a function of my using 8.5 as my latest version until now. I'll do some experimenting.

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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 01:34:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby msmcleod 2018/04/06 01:44:27
I made a tutorial on using VST and setting things up, lots of screenshots, might help you sort out how things work. 
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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 02:10:53 (permalink)
I know how to set up VSTs, I happily use Aria, Play and several others. My problem is that I don't find Studio Inst. under synths, so I can't insert it as a synth (which I would think it is). Instead, I find it under audio fx, which is why I insert it into the fx bin of an audio track. I see no other way to get it up and running. But since I don't normally set up VSTs this way, I have no idea what to do next, or if it is even possible. Perhaps it is meant just to be played live and recorded?

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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 17:04:52 (permalink)
Well that is why you should possibly take advantage of the FREE version of Cakewalk now being offered. 
For sure you won't have that issue. Using old software that is no longer supported means your on your own to sort these things out. What is your reason for using 8.5? 
There is no way a Instrument VST will show as an Audio effect as far as I understand. 
 


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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 17:11:40 (permalink)
Synths do occasionally show up as effects. Could be a bad install of the plug-ins or a bad scan. Not sure if changing the plug-ins to synths in plug-in properties will work. Most likely a chance to re-install the plug-ins and run a VST reset. The scanner is a shared utility that is overwritten with every Cakewalk and BandLab DAW update. Installing CbB gets the latest version of the scanner.
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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 17:52:49 (permalink)
Johnny, I am using the new free Cakewalk, you must have misunderstood my earlier remark. But thanks for the graphic, that at least tells me it is not a bug, but likely a bad install, as scook suggested.
 
scook: I'll uninstall SI, reinstall and then see what happens.

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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 18:24:03 (permalink)
Right on, I wonder if checking the "Re Scan failed Plug ins"  will work.. worth a try. It's found under Options in the Plug in Manager
 


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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 18:37:50 (permalink)
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I wonder if checking the "Re Scan failed Plug ins"  will work.

Not likely, the plug-ins scanned but not as instruments. Failed plug-ins don't show up at all and end up in the Excluded List. Reset might work because it clears the VST Inventory and rebuilds it from scratch.
 
BTW, all those options are in Preferences > File > VST Settings. For years, Noel has recommended using Preferences and not the Plug-in Manager for running the scanner.
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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 19:38:59 (permalink)
If definitely shows up under synths. In VSTi instruments. Each Studio instrument is listed with an SI in front of iyt. Like SI-Bass Guitar. This is in the band lab version also.

 
 
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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 19:44:57 (permalink)
Yes, that is the normal situation but sometimes things do go wrong. I have seen reports of DPro showing up in the FX list.
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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 19:47:17 (permalink)
I have occasionally used the scan in Preferences, will try to do that from now on. I'll try the Reset option before uninstalling/reinstalling.

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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 20:50:29 (permalink)
Actually, I got scared to use the Reset option as it said it would reset all my VST's to default values. I'm not sure what this means, but until I have clarification I don't want to risk losing my already loaded-up synths.
 
I unistalled/reinstalled, but same thing, they are not coming up as synths, but rather in the Uncategorized section of the audio fx listing. Weird. I went with all the defaults in my install of Cakewalk, didn't do anything different, chose to install all the content as my latest version was 8.5. This is the only problem I've encountered.

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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 20:58:13 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby michael diemer 2018/04/06 21:32:26
Michael - Have you tried "configure as synth" in the synth properties page?
 

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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 21:15:22 (permalink)
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Michael - Have you tried "configure as synth" in the synth properties page?
 


No but I will right now.

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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 21:23:50 (permalink)
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Actually, I got scared to use the Reset option as it said it would reset all my VST's to default values. I'm not sure what this means, but until I have clarification I don't want to risk losing my already loaded-up synths.
 

A reset clears and rebuilds the VST Inventory in the registry. If you have changed any VST plug-in properties, like the one mentioned in msg #19 they will be lost. That is all.
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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 21:30:44 (permalink)
Success! Thanks Brando, configuring as synth did it.
 
BTW, the Strings are going to be very useful!
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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/06 22:11:30 (permalink)
Awesome. Skook actually mentioned it in a post earlier in the thread. I've had to use the setting tweak occasionally when synth installs go awry. Glad you got it working.

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Re: Studio Instruments, How Do I Use? 2018/04/07 01:19:58 (permalink)
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Awesome. Skook actually mentioned it in a post earlier in the thread. I've had to use the setting tweak occasionally when synth installs go awry. Glad you got it working.

So he did. I had forgotten. He doesn't miss much, does he?

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