[SOLVED] Studio One audio device setup

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2018/02/07 19:22:38 (permalink)

[SOLVED] Studio One audio device setup

Funny asking for help with Studio One here in a Cakewalk forum, but after spending hours searching the program and the internet this is the only place I can think of.  Presonus online help is not very helpful.
 
I'm trying to set a song, or project, or whatever to a sample rate of 48k going through the onboard Realtek HD Audio.  I have other interfaces but for just puttering around, it's simpler just to use windows sound.  Studio One only offers me the option of 44.1K with windows sound even though the Realtek is set to 48K in and out (and apparently doesn't even support 44,1K for 'Stereo Mix').
 
In Sonar Platinum, everything is so easy.  The Realtek is visible and I can choose from several different driver modes WASAPI, MME, WDM/KS and sample rates, including 44,1K and 48K.  I can find no equivalent configuration options in Studio One to select the different audio modes, for any of my interfaces.
 
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    Re: Studio One audio device setup 2018/02/07 19:34:28 (permalink)
    You have tried everywhere except the place you should be e.g. the Presonus Forum!
     
    Here:
     
    https://forums.presonus.com
     
    Now I have a Mac and a PC setup and I have just checked the Mac and yes it seems it offers only the 44.1K option with its internal audio. But it works though. So what happens when you play sound out to your sound card and it is set at 44.1K. For me it still works fine. That is all that counts really if you are just wanting to hear stuff.
     
    I am not near my PC at the moment but will check. I must admit I have disabled the internal audio on my PC because I just never use it. The latency is way too high and the quality is average as well.

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    Re: Studio One audio device setup 2018/02/07 19:35:56 (permalink)
    Something to think about would be ASIO4ALL. As much as it pains me to say this, when I loaded Samplitude, the MAGIX ASIO Driver (which is ASIO4ALL with a different faceplate) ended up solving my woes when shifting between my Saffire and the RealTek in Studio One. For some reason, Studio One has issues when doing that manually, but it shifts rather easily using ASIO4ALL.
     
    ASIO4ALL is sort of a mind-trick to "whatever" software making it think it is in ASIO when it is actually using WDM drivers. It also seems to intercept a lot of the "micromanagement" software tries to do. As far as the DAW is concerned, it is using the proper driver and the proper sample rate. I have found a couple programs that will actually "lock" ASIO4ALL to them, so just avoid those when working (or turn them on after Studio One, so that Studio One got it first).
     
    As much as I wanted to stomp that MAGIX ASIO driver into the dirt, I also have VSTis that run in standalone mode and require ASIO. So after tinkering with ASIO4ALL (I had a really bad initial experience with it years ago), it has found a purpose for when I want to do something quick (i.e., only power on a MIDI controller versus turning on everything else too).
     
    I have put S1P 3.5 into a boot loop (startup/crash it) twice now shifting between my Saffire and Realtek, and forget how I broke it loose offhand.

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    Re: Studio One audio device setup 2018/02/07 19:40:42 (permalink)
    i would not mess with the realtek,
    at all,
    if i had other options.
     

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    Re: Studio One audio device setup 2018/02/07 19:47:07 (permalink)
    For playback, there is nothing wrong with the RealTek chip; but you cannot record (quality) audio through it.

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    Re: Studio One audio device setup 2018/02/07 21:08:41 (permalink)
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    For playback, there is nothing wrong with the RealTek chip; but you cannot record (quality) audio through it.


    ^^^ THIS

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    Re: Studio One audio device setup 2018/02/07 21:20:12 (permalink)
    From the OP he does not want to record. Tip: Read the OP! He just wants to playback. From what I can tell Studio One will playback fine through any internal sound card and that is all he wants to do. 
     
    But I also think playback quality is best served with a better interface, even a small one.
     
    Not sure why people get flustered over 48K. FACT: 48K does NOT sound any better than 44.1K. So lets put that to rest. The only people that need to be concerned with 48K sample rates are those producing music for film or TV because for some reason in that line of work they have chosen 48K as the default sample rate. ( I do a lot of this so I start sessions at that rate) 
     
    Its best to do everything at 44.1K 24 bit for sure but start and end everything at 44.1K. If you have to burn a CD for example no sample rate conversion required, only dithering from 24 bit down to 16 bit.  

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    Re: Studio One audio device setup 2018/02/07 23:03:01 (permalink)
    many plugins work better at a higher sample rate,
    with less latency..
     
    so, if you are talking about playback, you still have to consider sample rate.
     

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    Re: Studio One audio device setup 2018/02/07 23:13:28 (permalink)
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    many plugins work better at a higher sample rate,

     
    Sorry but not 48K compared to 44.1K. Yes for sure with 96K compared to 44.1K. Big difference compared to tiny difference.
     

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    Re: Studio One audio device setup 2018/02/07 23:19:40 (permalink)
    yep, that's what i meant. higher rates.
    usually cuts down the latency of the big dogs in half.

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    Re: Studio One audio device setup 2018/02/07 23:20:45 (permalink)
    if you have a crappy ADC, it can be an issue...
    by sampling at 88.2kHz, 96kHz, or even 192 kHz, the implementation of the anti-aliasing filter is moved above the audible frequency range (which means that even less than optimal filter design will be inaudible).
    with modern tech, it's not as much an issue.

    either way, i don't think i can hear the difference anymore.
    LOL
     
    maybe the best argument for 48k over 44 isn't really about the audio side... video is 48k standard, and occassionally you may cross paths with video...
    if your audio is already 48k, you bypass any sample rate conversion BS.
    dvd and bluray use 48k
     
     
    for the record,
    i record at 24/44.1khz,
    but i've been known to play at devils advocate sample rate.
     


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    Re: Studio One audio device setup 2018/02/07 23:31:29 (permalink)
    Yes I agree about higher sample rates (e.g. 96K) being nice for some plug-ins and certainly virtual instruments. Craig Anderton has proved that and I totally agree.  Some (note, some) synths sound quite different at 96K compared to 44.1K.  Native Instruments Prism is one such thing.  But also note not all patches benefit from 96K either only some!
    Even after they are rendered back down to 44.1K the nicer 96K sound still remains too.
     
    Latency wise it is better to get the hardware to give you the latency rather than 96K as the sample rate.  For example the latest Presonus Quantum interface can do well under 2mS at 44.1k.  (1.2 mS I believe!) So you don't have to be at the higher sample rate.  Some interfaces even at 96K wont get this good anyway.  I am running a Mac as well as PC and over thunderbolt with a Focusrite interface I can also get this sort of agency at 44.1K.  Something many don't experience.

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    Re: Studio One audio device setup 2018/02/08 18:45:02 (permalink)
    Thanks all for your suggestions.  Right now I'm more in the "how the heck do you do this ?" stage of learning Studio 1.  I'm just so used to Sonar giving me all the options and letting me choose which I want.  Studio One apparently restricts the options available (no driver modes ?) or makes choices for me.
     
    I got the following error when I set my audio device to the Realtek (because it's recording device is set at 48k) :
     
    "Failed to open Mixage stéréo (Realtek High Définition Audio)!
     Please make sure that the sample rates of your recording and playback devices match."
     
    The thing is, (for some reason) the Realtek Stereo Mix (what-you-hear) lowest sample rate is 48k and Studio One won't let me set it to that, so I can't record something off the internet (for example).  No problem with Sonar, Audacity, etc.
     
    If windows audio is in effect and I select "New Project", Studio One only offers me 44.1k.
     
    EDIT:  I just created a test song (at 44.1K because I had no choice) and fiddled around with adding a track and setting its input, got the message again, and suddenly the audio device setup panel has windows sound selected but at 48k.  I can't remember what I did, but at least it's apparently possible.
     
    I just recorded the audio off a youtube video so my problems are solved.

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