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SOLVED Where is Cakewalk Generic surface data stored?
I have a Korg NanoKontrol, control surface, that I set up in Sonar Platinum on Windows 7. I'd like to use this with Sonar Platinum and Win 10. However, I can't find where the Cakewalk Generic Surface data is stored on the Win 7 system so I can import the data to Sonar Platinum in Win 10. Thanks/Jack Edit/Corrected type to Cakewalk Generic Surface
post edited by fireberd - 2016/01/03 06:50:49
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/26 09:52:53
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It's in \ProgramData\Cakewalk\ACT Data
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/26 11:03:35
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I found that, but there is more to it than that. I've found it listed in the Registry (in Win 7) along with the ProgramData\Cakewalk\ACT Data.
I copied the "nanokontrol" file from Win 7 ......ACT Data to Win 10 ....ACT Data; and also created the same registry entries as Win 7 (and then rebooted) but that still does not configure the Korg nanokontrol like it is in Win 7.
The ACT MIDI Controller setup (learn) that is in Platinum does not allow learning/setting all the controls on the controller like I did originally in X2 or X3 - I don't remember which version I had when I got the controller. Platinum automatically included it and no additional setup was required in Platinum when I upgraded.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/26 19:12:32
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Are you looking for ACT mapping files with per VST mapping or configuration for the controller?
There is no changes in CS plug-ins since X2. If you was working with all controls, you probably was using "Generic Surface" or a combination of "Generic Surface" and "ACT MIDI" plug-ins. Or may be MackieControl.
In Windows 10, presets are in AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\Shared Presets (one folder per plug-in). You can try to copy ctlsurface.dat (currently in AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum) from the version you think was working fine.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/27 06:21:42
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The Win7 version IS working fine (I have a dual boot system with Win 7 and Win 10). It is a Cakewalk generic surface, my mistake on ACT. That was what I wound up doing in Win 10, programming the nanoKontrol as a generic surface. Like the Win 7/Sonar installation I got everything except the global "undo" button programmed. There is nothing in the Cakewalk generic surface setup for global "undo". The nanoKontroller is only a backup for my BCF2000.
post edited by fireberd - 2015/12/27 06:35:09
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 09:13:25
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Anyone? Although I took care of the problem by manually programming it in Platinum/Win 10, it would be good to know where the file is, for future reference.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 10:37:18
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C:\Program data\Cakewalk\SONAR "edition"\Presets\{404C9315-693D-4715-A326-143A992FA784}
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 11:30:17
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Not looking for ACT data. I corrected my post, 2 days ago, to indicate the "Cakewalk Generic Surface".
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 11:31:06
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In the original system, save your modified GCS as a preset.
Open the registry editor and search for that name.
It should be found as a key value under an entry in:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\ControlSurfaces\Presets\
This will tell you which funky-named directory under C:\Users\USER\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\Shared Presets\ you will find the saved config in.
If there aren't many directories, it might be faster to just look in each of them until you find your preset instead of dinking around searching the registry.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 11:38:42
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I found my what I thought was my original nanokontrol setup in Win 7, both in the Registry and in C:\Program Data\Cakewalk/Shared Presets. I copied both the registry entry and the naokontrol file from the Shared Presets to the Windows 10 Registry and Shared Presets, but what Sonar "saw" was only a partial set up. I tried several things and putting the nanokontrol surface setup in the User folder (where it was also located) and another location that I don't remember where it was. Anyway, I duplicated everything I found on my Win 7 install on my Win 10 installation and when I selected the Cakewalk Generic Surface the nanokontroller didn't work. Only after manually programming it, in Sonar Platinum Win 10 did it work.
There's still something missing, along with what has been listed.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 11:48:14
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Note that "C:\Program Data\Cakewalk/Shared Presets" is different from "C:\Users\USER\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\Shared Presets\"
Finding the data and getting it properly imported are obviously two distinctly different steps. The system is obviously generating those GUID-ish directory names, so simply copying from one system to another is a low-percentage step.
I didn't readily see a way to do direct export/import CS data, which seems odd considering there is an Import option for ACT in Prefs, but no Export. It seems this is intended to only come from vendors.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 12:01:23
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There may not be any way to do it, although there should be. I'm a computer tech and have dug deeper than most trying to find it.
BTW, I used to live in KC.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 13:03:29
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fireberd
There may not be any way to do it, although there should be. I'm a computer tech and have dug deeper than most trying to find it.
BTW, I used to live in KC.
From there, or transplant for a while? I grew up north of St Louis, left in the late 70s, then back to Boonies, MO about 9 years ago. I visited KC a bit as a teen. Very cool town, but imagine it's a lot different now as most places are. Maybe an FR is in order for CS configuration export/import. Have you searched the KB for a secret process?
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 13:06:59
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Thinking outloud, I wonder if Azslow's plugin has import/export capability?
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 16:20:54
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Maybe Azslow will chime in.
I lived in KC for 23 years, until I retired in 96 and became a "Florida Retiree".
I used to go to St Louis every labor day for the International Steel Guitar Convention, that used to be held downtown at the Millennium Hotel (the twin round tower hotel across from the Arch).
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 16:22:40
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2015/12/29 16:37:26
Import / export of CS presets is possible via Cakewalk Plugin-Manager, under "Plugin Category", last entry.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 16:25:23
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Klaus
Import / export of CS presets is possible via Cakewalk Plugin-Manager, under "Plugin Category", last entry.
Best,
Klaus
EXCELLENT! My modified MPD26 presets are right there. Thanks Klaus.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 16:29:54
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 17:46:34
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The nanokontrol (name I gave it) is not listed. I exported the nanokontrol (renamed it nanokontrol2) from the Win 7 Platinum and tried to import it into the Win 10 Platinum Control Surfaces but it does not show up.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 18:21:37
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fireberd
The nanokontrol (name I gave it) is not listed. I exported the nanokontrol (renamed it nanokontrol2) from the Win 7 Platinum and tried to import it into the Win 10 Platinum Control Surfaces but it does not show up.
Disappointing. Sounds like at least you're down to something that can be reported as a problem for the Bakers to fix. That's at least 4 steps closer than a feature that doesn't exist.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/29 18:34:24
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The Korg nanoKontrol isn't widely used and probably why it was not included in presets. I bought it on a M/F stupid deal of the day as a backup for my BCF2000 that is a little flakey. I'm on the fence on whether to replace the BCF2000 with the new Behringer X-Touch. The motorized faders impress clients.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/30 06:19:16
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fireberd
The Korg nanoKontrol isn't widely used and probably why it was not included in presets. I bought it on a M/F stupid deal of the day as a backup for my BCF2000 that is a little flakey. I'm on the fence on whether to replace the BCF2000 with the new Behringer X-Touch. The motorized faders impress clients.
I keep kicking around the idea of picking up a BCF. I have several devices with faders that are NOT motorized. What a pain that becomes when the 9th track is added to the project. If I had clients to impress I would already have one.  I take it the BCF works well with Platinum?
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/30 06:57:36
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The motorized faders don't really do anything, just eye candy. The automation in each track actually controls the volume levels, at least how I use it. That's why something like the basic Korg nanoKontroller would work just as well for me and why I haven't laid out the $400 or $600 for the new X-Touch control surface models.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/30 10:17:50
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I looked around again. I'm thinking the BCR might be a better choice if values are maintained as one navigates thru "banks" of tracks. That's the kicker for me with non-motorized faders. I need to do more research.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/31 09:05:01
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fireberd
The nanokontrol (name I gave it) is not listed. I exported the nanokontrol (renamed it nanokontrol2) from the Win 7 Platinum and tried to import it into the Win 10 Platinum Control Surfaces but it does not show up.
Do you mean you have saved a preset "nanokontrol" in Generic Control Surface window and it is not should in the Plug-in Manager for Control Surface ? I am using export/import function (for my plug-in) for X2 32bit to Platinum as well as in reverse direction all the time. I have not tried the same for Generic plug-in and I can not next days...
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2015/12/31 09:25:12
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No.
As my original post, I have the nanokontroller set up in Sonar Platinum in Win 7. I wanted to use the nanokontroller in Win 10, Sonar Platinum. I wanted to import the Generic Control Surface from the Sonar/Win 7 installation to the Sonar/Win 10. I've tried many different ways. The last thing I did was export it from Sonar/Win 7 as "nanokontrol2" file name. I imported that into the Sonar/Win 10 control surfaces but it never showed up.
As everything I tried (including registry entries) did not work, I manually programmed the nanokontroller in Sonar/Win 10 Generic Surface. Everything is set up as it was in Win 7 and works. However, there should be a way to export/import that device but I haven't found a way.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
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☼ Best Answerby fireberd 2016/01/03 06:50:07
The following sequence should work. If it does not, that is a bug which should be reported. I will check that myself once I am back home:
In Win7:
1) open current Generic Surface property page (from Utilities menu or Control Bar), type lat say "NKWin7" into preset name field (top left) and press save (diskette) button
2) from Utilities menu open Cakewalk Plug-in Manager, select "Control Surfaces", then "Generic Control Surface". Press "Export..." button under the list. Select only "NKWin7" from the list (by default all presets are selected), specify file name, let say "NK_Win7_preset" (different from the preset name for clarity) and press Save.
In Win10:
3) from Utilities menu open Cakewalk Plug-in Manager, select "Control Surfaces", then "Generic Control Surface". Press "Import..." select "NK_Win7_preset" file ("NKWin7" should appear in the list and selected) and press "Open".
4) open current Generic Surface property page (from Utilities menu or Control Bar) and select "NKWin7" in the presets drop box
If at stage (3) you do not see "NKWin7" when you select the file, please write what you see in the list. It can be empty (the file format is not recognized) or something like "<<something>>" (the preset is not recognized as Generic Control Surface preset).
If at stage (4) nothing happens, the preset could not be loaded correctly.
In both cases that is a bug.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2016/01/01 08:43:14
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What is shown after importing my file is what was shown (listed) before importing. The imported file is not shown. Restarting Sonar does not make a difference.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2016/01/02 13:22:47
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/01/02 20:42:51
I could successfully export Generic Control Surface preset from Sonar X2 32bit under Windows XP and import it to Sonar Platinum 64bit Windows 10. So the problem is not generic.
I can only suggest to either publish exported file to the community for future confirmation or submit a bug report with this file attached.
Note that I assume you have followed the procedure strictly, I mean the preset name and the file name with this preset are different, you could see the preset name correctly during importing and so on.
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Re: Where is control surface ACT data stored?
2016/01/02 15:54:39
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I did it exactly, however, I'll try again. BTW, I'm a computer tech.
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