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SOLVED! Who uses a Scarlett 18i20 & should I get it, RME, Tascam, MOTU or Roland Studio?

Hi folks,
Getting tired of Line 6 driver issues and will probably replace my interface. Need USB and am liking the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20. Looking for low latency since I play VDrums. Also considering an RME or  Tascam US-1800. Advice?
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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/06 22:13:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pinguinotuerto 2014/09/06 23:20:08
I'm reluctant to say you should or shouldn't buy a certain interface because I don't know how it will function with your equipment and circumstances, but I have a Scarlett 18i20 and like it very much.  I haven't had any problems with it yet, and I've been using it since they were first available.  It is my first USB interface.  I previously used Delta PCI interfaces.  Currently I'm using it with Sonar X3e, a Windows 7 64 bit, i7 system with 16 GB RAM.  I am using it with a Presonus Digimax FS through the ADAT connections, along with a DBX 386 through the SPDIF connection, and using the Scarlett as the master clock.  Everything works fine and I haven't had any trouble recording 14 tracks at 24/96 at the same time.  The Scarlett software is pretty flexible in setting up separate mixes for each performer, so I use that for low latency monitoring.  It works well, but if you need to use plugins while monitoring, you'll need to monitor through Sonar.  I'm a drummer and have used it with 14 mics on my kit, and also with an eKit that uses a USB interface.  I haven't had any problems with using the two USB inputs.  The preamps are pretty good.  I find them slightly cloudy in the lower mids compared to the Digimax preamps, and some of the outboard preamps I have, but they sound good and have enough gain to use with my ribbon mics.  One issue that is a minor inconvenience in my setup is the fact that phantom power is engaged in banks of 4 inputs at a time, so if you use a combination of condenser and ribbon mics, that could be a problem, depending on how many mics you need to use.
The instrument input sounds good and I use it frequently for recording bass. 
I haven't used the other interfaces you mentioned.
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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/06 22:22:07 (permalink)
Aspenleaf,
Thank you so much for taking the time to give me such a detailed explanation of your experience. I really, really appreciate it! I will mark it as helpful once I'm using the full forum (on my phone right now).

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/06 22:36:00 (permalink)
Not to hijack the thread, but what issues are you having with the Line 6 drivers?
 
Also, just a heads-up...the AES convention is around the corner. It's common to introduce new pro audio products there. so there might be some other options on the horizon.

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/06 22:37:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pinguinotuerto 2014/09/06 23:20:20
Being the proud owner of both a Scarlett 6i6 and a Tascam us1641 I will say with full authority, Don't buy the Tascam if you fear bad drivers. 
The us1641 is the older model, but I would hazard a guess the drivers share 98% of the code. The us1800 was more or less a face lift to the front panel. I would say go and buy it if all your going to use it for is tracking live drums. It's certainly the most usable inputs for your money. 
Tascam works real good for audio tracking, no problems, but it just would slowly get worse when you started adding soft synths and effects to a project. And it's not about latency, I'd say both the Tascam and the Scarlett are close with RTL.  Both are spot on for overdub timing. Both trigger MIDI with just a hare of delay. But there's more than that to audio drivers and how stable they are with Sonar. Focusrite Drivers likes Sonar as many will tell you. 
 
When you talk low latency don't be fooled by direct monitoring babble about zero latency. Of course it's zero because there's actually no latency involved when you monitor directly. There is no difference in monitoring latency between the Tascam and the Scarlett or any other interface for that matter. It's Round Trip Latency performance that separates the men from the boys with interfaces. 
It's when you monitor the output of the DAW while tracking that RTL will bother you. 
 
In your case, if you wish to track your USB drums while playing a VST drummer you'll need better performance. I have to monitor using my Yamaha DTX Drum Brain because it's much tighter timing for me. If I trigger a VST drum it's a 128th note but it bugs me. But the brain is using it's own USB drivers and so this might be a Yamaha driver issue, not the audio drivers. 
 
 Read this thread if you need to get a handle on what is good and what is bad about interface RTL, I bookmarked page 13 as that's more up to date charts. 
 
http://forum.dawbench.com/showthread.php?1548-Audio-Interface-Low-Latency-Performance-Data-Base/page13
 
 
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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/06 22:47:44 (permalink)
Thank you Craig for chiming in!
You're not hijacking anything, I appreciate your help. I'm having clocking issues, apparently--clicking sounds during playback. When I check my driver settings, the UX8's control panel shows 44.1/32 bit although in Sonar, I have 48/24 selected and under Asio client the UX8's control panel is blank (not showing Sonar). Plus blue screens only when the UX8 is connected if I don't shut down in a certain order. Line 6 stopped supporting the UX8 years ago and the drivers were never great to begin with. We've had a good ride together, but I think it's time for a change. Don't think I can wait too long though, so might have to buy something that's out already.
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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/06 22:50:47 (permalink)
I'm still in love with my Forte... rock solid, awesome mic pres, fantastic direct sound for bass/guitar, and way better deal than babyface... vocals are bliss.  Had emu 1212/focusrite pro24dsp/others... the Forte is a whole nother level of elegance and clarity...

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/06 22:52:52 (permalink)
Thanks, Sock Monkey!
I know exactly what you're talking about. The UX8 has direct monitoring and I know the difference (just like you explained). I've been able to play vdrums and trigger Addictive Drums 2 without any noticeable latency with my ux8. I'm pretty sure the Scarlett can be just as good if not better. Thanks for the info on the Tascam. I will stay away.

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/06 23:13:13 (permalink)
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Hi folks,
Getting tired of Line 6 driver issues and will probably replace my interface. Need USB and am liking the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20. Looking for low latency since I play VDrums. Also considering an RME or  Tascam US-1800. Advice?


I dont have that device but thats the one I plan on getting, hand down for me and my setup
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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/06 23:52:08 (permalink)
Craig,
Just notice this interesting thing happening. 
If I open Addictive Dums 2 standalone, the UX8 control panel shows this:

 
If I open Sonar, the control panel shows that the UX8 is in sample rate conversion mode, and although this time is showing Sonar as the Asio client, sometimes Asio client is blank. Also with both AD2 and Sonar the UX8 control panel shows 32 bit although both programs are running at 24.


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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 00:07:42 (permalink)
Not to steal Craig's thunder w/ Tascam, but the new(ish) UH-7000 is pretty darn good.  Not the greatest low latency drivers - about 12 ms in/out on my system, but I haven't tried to tweak it either.  Other than the drivers, it is a really high-end unit.  Excellent conversion and stellar preamps.  Clean, but sweet.  I doubt if I'd pay $600 for conversion - it is better but not by hundreds of dollars.  Even budget converters are really good.  But combined w/ the preamps it is a really stout-sounding unit and you don't need external hardware to make recordings that play w/ the big boys.  No midi and stereo only, but it is very good.
 
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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 00:15:59 (permalink)
What you saying man? Focusrite is an amazing interface. You need to optimise your setup.

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 01:33:57 (permalink)
Alex yo have a saffire  that's not the same as the scarlett series. The scarlett's are entry level and have ho hum entry level performance. Read the bench tests.. Hidden buffers and all that.. For the money they are still a great choice. But good interfaces are still way up there in price. 
 
AT -I just checked the Tascam UH 7000 out and It look pretty impressive. I'd buy that just for the pre amps!  I will say I have no complaints about my us1641 other than the drivers, The rest of it hardware wise is well built and it sounds better than I was expecting. It just don't work well with Sonar. So I use it with Wave lab and a computer I have set up for mastering and playing as our home movies and stereo system. I will also use it if I need to go out and record a band. 
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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 08:05:51 (permalink)
A very satisfied, Scarlett 18i20 user here. Nice preamps and rock solid performance for almost a year now. Highly recommended.

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 08:13:23 (permalink)
18i20 user here. Very satisfied. If you need plenty of inputs and outputs I can't fault it.

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 08:25:53 (permalink)
Thanks for the info guys. Drivers that work well with Sonar and latency are my main concern. What has your experience been regarding drivers/latency with Sonar?

I use my Joe Meek preamps and since I don't do live drums anymore, I guess I don't need 8 preamps any longer. I really like my UX8, but the drivers are crap and I'm fed up.

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 08:59:25 (permalink)
I use a lot of soft synths combined with audio tracks and haven't had any issues with drivers or latency in my system. I also have to say that Focusrite support is stellar which for me is another consideration when purchasing a piece of equipment. 

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 09:01:20 (permalink)
If you don't need the input count you might want to put your money into quality over quantity. 
Your pick of two interfaces are both entry level series for those brands that have a more inputs than you possibly need. 
Lower your input count and go to the next level and look at the Tascam UH 7000 ( like AT posted) and the Safire Pro series for the Focusrite. Then I would be looking at RME's basic models.  
If all you need is 2 or 4 inputs don't spend your cash on 8 pre amps. Spend it on  better components and A/D
 
Make a list of all the features you need first. 
 
How many Pre amps
How many Line ins
How many Instrument ins
How many outputs , do they need to be balanced
How many Headphone outs
Insert jacks
Are there easy to use front panel controls for all the above or is it software driven. Important! 
Does it have DSP for adding effects or compression.
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On Off switch 
Metal or plastic case
Size is important for travel ( the UT 7000 looks way to big for me) 
 
Has it been bench tested for Round Trip latency and does this really matter to you. 
And are the drivers reported to be working well with Sonar and the OS you have. 
 

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 09:55:24 (permalink)
Thanks for all the info. This is getting interesting. Has anyone tried this one?
STUDIO-CAPTURE USB 2.0 Audio Interface

 



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Hmmm, this one is really calling out to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 14:21:01 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the info. This is getting interesting. Has anyone tried this one?
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A member over at Studiotrax forums has this one and from what I can gather he likes it quite a bit.
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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 14:23:52 (permalink)
Thanks, Geo!

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You're welcome pinguinotuerto. 

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 14:46:12 (permalink)
I am very happy with my Roland octa- capture (8 ins compared to 16 on studio).  Rock solid, built with metal, comes with rack ears and very good GUI with Windows.  No problems at all.

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 14:49:56 (permalink)
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Not to steal Craig's thunder w/ Tascam, but the new(ish) UH-7000 is pretty darn good.  Not the greatest low latency drivers - about 12 ms in/out on my system, but I haven't tried to tweak it either.  Other than the drivers, it is a really high-end unit.  Excellent conversion and stellar preamps.  Clean, but sweet.  I doubt if I'd pay $600 for conversion - it is better but not by hundreds of dollars.  Even budget converters are really good.  But combined w/ the preamps it is a really stout-sounding unit and you don't need external hardware to make recordings that play w/ the big boys.  No midi and stereo only, but it is very good.



I try to resist the temptation to hype Gibson Brands products here, but the UH-7000 really is top of the line in terms of audio quality. They're marketing it as a stereo mic pre, not just an interface. If you compare the specs to anyone else, you can't help but be impressed.
 

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 15:08:21 (permalink)
Speaking of USB audio interfaces, is anyone making a USB 3 soundcard? Just did a search and can't find a thing. I'm still using an M-Audio Audiophile PCI card and it seems OK (just me recording). Specs are as good as anything around (or better). But might upgrade if I could find a USB 3.0 or better. Heard USB 3.1 was much faster than 3.0. Thanks. 

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 15:13:32 (permalink)
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Speaking of USB audio interfaces, is anyone making a USB 3 soundcard? 



Please don't divert my thread. If you have questions about USB 3, why not start a new thread? I'm trying to get suggestions on specific models that I'm considering to replace my UX8. Thanks.

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 15:18:19 (permalink)
Sorry if I'm diverting from your thread. But if USB 3 is available you might be interested in that.

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 15:23:29 (permalink)
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Sorry if I'm diverting from your thread. But if USB 3 is available you might be interested in that.


Possibly, but since like you said, there doesn't seem to be too much info on it, I'm trying to stick with what people have experience with. No apology needed and I'm sorry if I came across as being harsh.  I meant it in the nicest way possible. 

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Re: Who is using a Scarlett 18i20 and should I get it, RME or Tascam US-1800? Need USB. 2014/09/07 15:48:20 (permalink)
RME makes a USB 3 interface and more from other companies are in the works, but USB 2 has sufficient bandwidth to handle all but the most demanding recording situations (e.g., lots of tracks at 192 kHz).

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