[SOLVED] Why does Sonar VST scan put Kontakt 5 8 & 16 output VSTs under Effects?

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2017/06/16 20:21:00 (permalink)

[SOLVED] Why does Sonar VST scan put Kontakt 5 8 & 16 output VSTs under Effects?

At one time all 3 were under VST Instruments. But now Plugin Manager puts the 8 & 16 output versions under VST Audio Effects.
 
If I go to their Properties and check "Configure as synth" and "Force Stereo" and rescan they're all under VST Instruments but with (32 bit) attached to their names. And under "Details" they still have Outputs: 0; Is Synth: No, which causes them to fail when trying to insert them.
 
Doing this also deletes the 64 output version from the Insert Synth menu even though it's still listed in Plugin Manager.
 
What's going on?
post edited by soens - 2017/06/23 05:48:40
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    Re: Shouldn't ALL Kontakt Instruments be under VST Instruments? 2017/06/16 20:49:28 (permalink)
    VSTs are classified as Instruments if they can respond to MIDI, otherwise they're classified as Effects.
     
    ALL of my Kontact plugs are instruments.
     
    What is the file name of one of yours that's being classified as an effect?

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    Re: Shouldn't ALL Kontakt Instruments be under VST Instruments? 2017/06/16 20:57:55 (permalink)
    I'm using Sonar Plat x64 and have filtered out all my NI 32 bit plugins.
    So maybe if there is an issue I'm not seeing it.
    My 64bit Kontakt plugs are behaving.
     

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    Re: Shouldn't ALL Kontakt Instruments be under VST Instruments? 2017/06/16 20:58:02 (permalink)
    Kontakt 5 8out renamed kontakt 5.5-1.dll
    Kontakt 5 16out renamed kontakt 5.5-2.dll
     
    They are in the 64bit Program Files Cakewalk VST folder with Kontakt 5 64out renamed kontakt 5.5-3.dll
     
    Maybe the install went bad. I'll reinstall them today.
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    Re: Shouldn't ALL Kontakt Instruments be under VST Instruments? 2017/06/16 21:15:18 (permalink)
    >with (32 bit) attached to their names. 
    That would indicate that they are 32 bit plugins.
    Sounds like you might have some other issues like misnamed plugs or 64/32 mixing.
    Check the registry* or use some other tools (like SaviHost) to verify what you're working with.
     
    *For Sonar Plat x64 
    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR\Cakewalk VST X64\Inventory
     
     

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    Re: Shouldn't ALL Kontakt Instruments be under VST Instruments? 2017/06/16 21:18:27 (permalink)
    Thanks. I'm going to uninstall everything, clear the registry and start over.
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    Re: Shouldn't ALL Kontakt Instruments be under VST Instruments? 2017/06/16 21:22:13 (permalink)
    I find life easier by not using system folders like \Program Files to store my plugins.
    I never have Admin issues or problems moving, backing up or restoring my plugins.
    Well almost never, some plugins are a pain regardless of what you do.

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    Re: Shouldn't ALL Kontakt Instruments be under VST Instruments? 2017/06/20 02:02:46 (permalink)
    I found over 10,000 entries for Kontakt 5 in the registry after I uninstalled it (WHAAAA...!), so there's no way I'm going to delete  them all one by one. After searching for and fooling with 1/2 a doz reg uts, I found a free one (RegSeeker 4) that located and deleted them all for me.
     
    The others either want money and wouldn't delete, or have you, once again, delete each entry one by one.
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    Re: Shouldn't ALL Kontakt Instruments be under VST Instruments? 2017/06/20 15:52:50 (permalink)
    Did you move/rename the 64bit Kontact .dll files? If so NI will no longer recognise them. There is a tool to fix this. See here 

    Splat, Win 10 64bit and all sorts of musical odds and sods collected over the years, but still missing a lot of my old analogue stuff I sold off years ago.
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    Re: Shouldn't ALL Kontakt Instruments be under VST Instruments? 2017/06/21 06:12:33 (permalink)
    Thanks, but I uninstalled Kontakt kompletely and wanted absolutely no trace of it left anywhere... so I can reinstall it clean and hopefully resolve the issue of it not installing properly the first time.
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    Re: Shouldn't ALL Kontakt Instruments be under VST Instruments? 2017/06/21 14:56:21 (permalink)
    Just going to point out @TheSteven's MenuMagic program is amazing for customizing your menus in Sonar and it's still on the "End of 2015 Sale" for $19.99. ;)
     
    It's a little confusing at first to get started but he has videos on youtube that help.
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    Re: Shouldn't ALL Kontakt Instruments be under VST Instruments? 2017/06/23 05:42:43 (permalink)
    This has nothing to do with menus. It apparently happened because I renamed the original dll files.
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