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[SOLVED: sort of, well not really] Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
Reminder. I'm on X1d-Expanded (FWIW, I have all the PC modules even though in this project I am not using any of them, Nor any portion of PC) I had two instances of Kontakt 5 as "simple instruments". Song plays fine. Export the 'Entire Mix'. No Kontakt instruments anywhere in the mix. Then I check the routing. All tracks route to various buses. All buses route to the "Master Bus" which is being sent to the first Stereo Pair or my RME Fireface UFX. So, no routing problems. Now if I export just the first 6 measure of the song, the the Kontakt instruments do show up. So I say to my self, let's export whole song whiles unchecking 'fast bounce'. Same problem; no Kontakt instruments anywhere in the mix. So the I say, "BUFFERS". I up the buffers each time from 64, 96, 128, 25, 512, 1024. Same problem, no Kontakt instruments anywhere in the mix. So I say; "SIMPLE INSTRUMENT TRACKS MUST BE THE PROBLEM". So I "insert softsynths" for my two KONTAKT tracks. Load up the instruments, set the routing the same as the old simple instrument tracks. Guess what? The Kontakt instruments are in the export via "Entire Mix" option. WTH? Have I missed something? Are insert synth->simple instrument tracks broken now? I admit I rarely use simple instruments but since I wanted separate instances of Kontakt for the two libraries it seemed the most compact choice to make. Anyone else ever experience this behavior? Update [SOLVED sort of]: It appears that maybe I had a corrupt project file since myolpal tried to replicate the problem and could not. Update [SOLVED sort of, well not really]: See post 27. It's happening again in a different project but not with KONTACT. This time Dim Pro and True Pianos.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/26 16:01:00
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/26 16:01:34
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/26 16:19:32
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Oh, and I must add that even when I froze the simple instrument tracks they still would not appear in any kind of export except that 6 measure test.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/26 16:40:50
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I've got 5 too. I'll check this out.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/26 16:42:15
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yorolpal
I've got 5 too. I'll check this out.
Thanks olpal.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 11:28:48
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what happens when you export as "What you hear".....?
that's the export format I use all the time.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 12:33:36
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Herb, it seems that the only difference in "What You Hear" preset and what the defaults are (on my system that is equivalent to the "All" preset) is the turning off of the 64bit Engine.
If myolpal reports back "no problems" following my scenario I will take the time to rebuild the project in the way that it fails. As of now using insert soft synth->multi-out stereo works properly.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 12:37:28
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have you tried turning it off and back on again?
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 12:40:13
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daryl1968
have you tried turning it off and back on again?
In my scenario there are about 14 "it's" mate. It could be my computer. It could be SONAR. It could be the individual tracks. It could be Kontakt. It could be the instruments in Kontakt. I can't be arsed to think of the other 9 "it's". Which "it" were you thinking? 
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 12:54:49
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bapu
daryl1968
have you tried turning it off and back on again?
In my scenario there are about 14 "it's" mate.
It could be my computer.
It could be SONAR.
It could be the individual tracks.
It could be Kontakt.
It could be the instruments in Kontakt.
I can't be arsed to think of the other 9 "it's".
Which "it" were you thinking?
all 14 would be my first thought. Sorry, I was just being an arse. My first thought was the midi clip. Have you tried splitting the clip at the point you want to export (at 6 measures)
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 14:03:18
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WTH? Have I missed something? Are insert synth->simple instrument tracks broken now? In general... no. I use SITS way more than the traditional SONAR split variety, and have never encountered this issue. I don't have the full Kontakt 5, only the free version included in Komplete Essentials, but never had a problem exporting a mix using that. Does it make any difference which instruments you load within Kontakt? How about if you start the project later, say at bar 7? Lastly, does the same thing happen in a new project created using one of the delivered templates?
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 14:35:11
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Does bounce to tracks for the whole mix work?
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 14:41:24
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Guitarhacker
what happens when you export as "What you hear".....?
that's the export format I use all the time.
stevec
WTH? Have I missed something? Are insert synth->simple instrument tracks broken now?
In general... no. I use SITS way more than the traditional SONAR split variety, and have never encountered this issue. I don't have the full Kontakt 5, only the free version included in Komplete Essentials, but never had a problem exporting a mix using that.
Does it make any difference which instruments you load within Kontakt? How about if you start the project later, say at bar 7? Lastly, does the same thing happen in a new project created using one of the delivered templates?
jm24
Does bounce to tracks for the whole mix work?
Good questions by all of you. But, as I was in "get her done" mode and now have a working project that exports correctly I'm not in that state to test all these scenarios out. And if it was not clear, IIRC this is the first time I used simple instrument tracks for ANYTHING. I generally use multi-out even if it is for only one instrument in KONTAKT (I simply weed out the unused outputs). I thought that in this project, SITS would ake life simpler. Boy was I wrong.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 14:42:34
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bapu
Guitarhacker
what happens when you export as "What you hear".....?
that's the export format I use all the time.
stevec
WTH? Have I missed something? Are insert synth->simple instrument tracks broken now?
In general... no. I use SITS way more than the traditional SONAR split variety, and have never encountered this issue. I don't have the full Kontakt 5, only the free version included in Komplete Essentials, but never had a problem exporting a mix using that.
Does it make any difference which instruments you load within Kontakt? How about if you start the project later, say at bar 7? Lastly, does the same thing happen in a new project created using one of the delivered templates?
jm24
Does bounce to tracks for the whole mix work?
Good questions by all of you. But, as I was in "get her done" mode and now have a working project that exports correctly I'm not in that state to test all these scenarios out.
And if it was not clear, IIRC this is the first time I used simple instrument tracks for ANYTHING. I generally use multi-out even if it is for only one instrument in KONTAKT (I simply weed out the unused outputs). I thought that in this project, SITS would ake life simpler. Boy was I wrong.
would you like to plug any songs while you are here?
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 14:44:44
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 15:46:01
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I'm disappointed. I thought this was going to be a collection of twisted stories about weird experiences with softsynths where i could finally tell the world how Z3ta+2 touched me in a way that made me feel uncomfortable.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 15:51:53
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 15:52:16
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dubdisciple
I'm disappointed. I thought this was going to be a collection of twisted stories about weird experiences with softsynths where i could finally tell the world how Z3ta+2 touched me in a way that made me feel uncomfortable.
There's always time to change the flow of this fred.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 15:59:53
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Who is Fred? And shouldn't Fred be capitalized?
BTW why use Kontakt with simple instruments tracks? It is a multi-out sampler.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 16:21:56
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dubdisciple
I'm disappointed. I thought this was going to be a collection of twisted stories about weird experiences with softsynths where i could finally tell the world how Z3ta+2 touched me in a way that made me feel uncomfortable.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 18:05:21
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Roky Doakey...Recorded a 16 bar project using Trilian bass EZ drums and a "simple instrument track" in K5 of piano (The Giant). Selected All, Chose Export, Used Fast Bounce. Everything there...no problame-os.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 18:14:41
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Hokaaaaay. I'm a gonna chalk it up to a corrupt project.
In any event, I got the song exported after doing what I described in the OP.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/27 19:06:23
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I thought this was going to be a collection of twisted stories about weird experiences with softsynths where i could finally tell the world how Z3ta+2 touched me in a way that made me feel uncomfortable
IT IS! IT IS!
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/28 10:03:36
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/28 11:02:10
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Well, I started working on another song someone gave me (a .cwb) last night. It had two simple instrument tracks along with a slew of regular audio tracks. This time the simple instrument tracks were Dim Pro and True Pianos. And like the other project, there was a multi-out folder for EZDrummer (both projects used different kits, FWIW).
Guess what? Same problem as before. Everything exported except the two SITs. So I decided to try Herb's idea to use the "What You Hear" preset. That worked. Full mix was in tact.
Today I will try a bounce to track test.
And since this is not KONTAKT related we can rule out that the other project was sound library related.
This is damned weird
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/28 11:17:03
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another song bapu
Well, I started working on another song someone gave me (a .cwb) last night. It had two simple instrument tracks along with a slew of regular audio tracks. This time the simple instrument tracks were Dim Pro and True Pianos. And like the other project, there was a multi-out folder for EZDrummer (both projects used different kits, FWIW).
Guess what? Same problem as before. Everything exported except the two SITs. So I decided to try Herb's idea to use the "What You Hear" preset. That worked. Full mix was in tact.
Today I will try a bounce to track test.
And since this is not KONTAKT related we can rule out that the other project was sound library related.
This is damned weird
link?
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/28 11:18:56
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Sorry no linkeee yet. The song is not done. I was exporting a "tracking mix" to send to someone so they can track their part.
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Re:Weirdest soft synth experience EVER.
2012/06/28 11:45:15
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And you've double checked where your SITs are being routed/bussed to? This certainly sounds like some odd routing problem. I'd be scouring the many options in the export dialog to see if one little box is unticked that should be ticked. I have several presets set up in my export dialog for MONO, STEREO and such. Just a thought.
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