SOLVED with Lots of Help from Forum: OctaCapture, Platinum and Band-in-a-Box 2016

Hi all,

I just bought BIAB 2016 and wanted to use the Asio driver with my OctaCapture. When I do that, though, my OctaCapture disappears within Sonar Platinum, leaving me with no interface at all. There's a YouTube video (sorry, I can't seem to link from my iPad, but it is called "Sonar X1 and Band in a Box Demo by Peter Butler") where, although it's a differerent version of Sonar and BIAB, the presenter uses an OctaCapture and the sound seems quite nice.

I can't seem to figure out how to get the OctaCapture to work in Platinum and BIAB simultaneously.

Could anyone give me any pointers? It would be much appreciated, and sorry for another in my seemingly endless series of boneheaded questions,

LJ

Yes.  I have the same trouble.  Disclaimer: I'm no expert.
 
I use BiaB and then Real Band to generate wave files and then I drag and drop them from RB into Sonar.  In BiaB and RB I don't use ASIO, which seems to avoid the conflict when Sonar is also running.  Pretty sure I'm using the MME driver for BiaB and RB.
 
You may want to check out the PG Music Forums too.
 
http://www.pgmusic.com/fo...reads.php?lang=english

There is a setting in Sonar which ask if you want to allow the use of you audio device drivers to be shared with more than one program.  You have to check that box as well. 
 
I too had the same problem when using My Octa-Capture with Sonar and T-RACKS.  After I clicked the the check box in Sonar preferences, I no longer had the problem.
 
Share Drivers With Other Programs.  This option allows other software to access device drivers. When this option is checked, other software can access device drivers when SONAR is not the focus of Windows.

yes, I have that box checked as well, it doesn't seem to do anything for BIAB.  I think BIAB is the one that does NOT share drivers and that's the problem.
 
you can set up BIAB to use the Cakewalk/Roland TTS-1.  it's better than coyotye.  this thread might help you:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3328169
 
it also points to a thread on the PG music forum.  bottom line is you have to have the 32bit DXi TTS-1 to get it to work with BIAB.

MarioD
AFAIK ASIO drivers are are one trick pony.  In other words you can not run two different pieces of software are the same time using the same AISO driver.  Also BiaB/RT have trouble with some ASIO drivers and the only reason to use ASIO drivers is when you are recording. Now why would you record in BiaB/RT when you have Sonar?
 
For the record I have always had MME drivers for BiaB and ASIO drivers for Sonar.  This way both can be active at the same time.

Hey Mario!
actually, ASIO is not limited to one program, it's only limited to one DEVICE.  I can use Sonar in ASIO and still use my browser in youtube and have Windows Media Player and Audacity and Goldwave all open and playing/recording stuff all at the same time using ASIO.  but I can't select my MOTU soundcard AND my yamaha keyboard (which has a soundcard in it with ASIO drivers) at the same time.
 
but you are correct, using BIAB in MME and Sonar in ASIO does work.  like I said, I think it's a limitation of BIAB not sharing ASIO drivers instead of Sonar, tho.

MarioD

Beagle

MarioD
AFAIK ASIO drivers are are one trick pony.  In other words you can not run two different pieces of software are the same time using the same AISO driver.  Also BiaB/RT have trouble with some ASIO drivers and the only reason to use ASIO drivers is when you are recording. Now why would you record in BiaB/RT when you have Sonar?
 
For the record I have always had MME drivers for BiaB and ASIO drivers for Sonar.  This way both can be active at the same time.

Hey Mario!
actually, ASIO is not limited to one program, it's only limited to one DEVICE.  I can use Sonar in ASIO and still use my browser in youtube and have Windows Media Player and Audacity and Goldwave all open and playing/recording stuff all at the same time using ASIO.  but I can't select my MOTU soundcard AND my yamaha keyboard (which has a soundcard in it with ASIO drivers) at the same time.
 
but you are correct, using BIAB in MME and Sonar in ASIO does work.  like I said, I think it's a limitation of BIAB not sharing ASIO drivers instead of Sonar, tho.

Thanx Beagle for that information.  That is why I said AFAIK
 
My music computer is off line and the only program that I use ASIO for is Sonar.  In fact the OctaCapture is the only ASIO device that I have.
 
Thanx again and sorry for any inconvenience.
 

pfft!  don't be sorry!  we're all just helping each other out!

Hi again, Jesse G. Oh, I see. Then I guess it is really BIAB's lack of kindergarten manners (Now, BIAB, we must learn to SHARE nicely!).
 
Meanwhile, I'm still on the hunt for a great-sounding GM, GM2 set. Native Instruments Bandstand and Roland Hyper Canvas have been discontinued, and I'm too chicken to uninstall Sonar 64 bit, install Sonar 32 bit and fiddle with the TSS-1 32 bit .dll and then reinstall Sonar 64 bit as per the instructions to get Cakewalk TSS-1 to work. My Sonar Platinum is presently as solid as a rock, and I would kick myself if I messed it up over this.
 
Thank you for all your input and still hoping for a brainwave,
LJ
 

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tomixornot
Just a suggestion, you can export BIAB to midi (I don't do this as I mainly use Real Tracks, but I think it's possible) and import it into Sonar, using various bundled soft synth - Truepiano, Session Instrument Bass, etc..
 
I think the Sonar's soft synths are capable of sounding as good if not better than most GM and BIAB only uses part of the GM sound.

Yes, I do this all the time.  I have a GM template with TTS-1 that I use.  Note the TTS-1 works fine on in 64 bit Sonar.  Then I change all of the TTS-1 sounds to my better sound sources.

skinnybones lampshade
Mario D and tomixornot, do you mean you somehow have BIAB playing live through MIDI (not copying or dragging anything from BIAB) into Sonar (using a Sonar template with TTS-1 set up on it) and so can audition styles and fool around in BIAB, all the while hearing everything you're doing live? If so, that would be perfect! Do I understand that correctly, and, if I do, could you please explain how you do it?
Thanks and hoping this question isn't too dumb,
LJ

That's not what I meant and probably not what Mario D meant as well. I meant to export the BIAB midi file out then drag it into Sonar.
 
But :) ..your post got me curious to try out setting BIAB to output midi data - if it's possible to feed the midi output to Sonar, as in your question above. In summary, it's possible!
 
Setup BIAB Opt - Preference - midi driver - (Select MIDI output). BIAB will proceed to give you a warning that you need to disable the DXI Synth (BIAB internal sound) in order to achieve actual midi output. And doing so, BIAB will just playback silently at this stage.
 
In Sonar, insert a soft synth, in this case I use Truepiano, and set the midi input to the same device as BIAB midi output device. Still no sound at this stage (BIAB is silently playing at the background). That's because BIAB sends midi to midi out, while Sonar is listening to the device's midi in. Then I patch a midi cable connecting OUT to IN (my device supports 5 pin midi in/out).. at this stage, Truepiano started to play whatever BIAB is playing. Setting the midi channel further will playback different parts (Ch 1 = piano, 2 = bass, etc..).
 
I have not tried the following, but it should be possible to :
 
- setup each soft synth to respond to different midi channel or,
(edit :)
- insert TTS-1 as the only soft synth and setup it's individual midi channel for different instrument sound

Tomixornot: This is very exciting! I am going to try this as soon as I get home. To be clear, when you say you connect MIDI "out" to "in" on your "device", do you mean your interface (in my case, the OctaCapture)?

LJ

Awesome!