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[SOLVED]So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?(Depends on how you load your synths)
I did some research here on the forum, and it seems that Omnisphere won't work well with Pro Channel. So far, I've only used the PC to ****e up some older tracks, and it worked ok. Once in a great while I'd get some glitchiness, but it would always process the audio. Starting a new project, I always load Omnisphere. I assumed that I could just load my synth and process it with the PC, but a majority of the time, I can't even get the PC to process the audio stream. There are times when I start a new instance of Omnisphere and the PC will work for a bit, but it always dies. Needless to say, I'm disappointed. So, what's the deal? Is there a work around I missed?
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 02:02:34
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So, I just tried it with Absynth, and it's the same deal. None of the PC modules activate like they should. But, the PC on the Master bus works.
Bleh.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 02:06:42
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In conclusion, I can't get the PC to work with any of my soft synths, but it still works on the tracks that have wav files and on the master bus.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 02:25:44
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Which version of SONAR X1 are you on? I'm using Producer Expanded X1d and I have used PC with a variety of soft synths and it's been working fine. It seems like the original release seemed to have some problems, but I think at least the last 2 or 3 updates it's been working well for me.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 02:30:16
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I'm on X1d Expanded, Win7 Pro 64 bit.
Have you used Omnisphere or Absynth and had them work?
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 02:48:53
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Just in case someone else has this problem, engage the Post button to place the PC after the synth bin for processing. Oh, and the PC never engaged when I started a new instance of Omnisphere, I was just looking at the wrong PC. It's late here. /facepalm
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 05:06:27
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Have you tried bouncing your midi tracks to audio before running through Pro Channel? I am interested in grabbing X1 expanded Komplete and Omni so it would be good to know about before spending the cash.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 06:36:26
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I use Omnisphere quite heavily (along with Halion Sonic, Dimension Pro, Superior Drummer, OPX ProII, TruePianos, RealLPC etc etc) and am not aware of any problems with PC. I do, however, only tend to use the HP filter and saturation knob in PC.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 06:52:26
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I don't have Omni but use Absynth 5 on occassion without any problems while PC modules (I have them all including the Softube Mix Bundle) are engaged. I've tried PC pre and post with no unusual behavior noted.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 09:00:51
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Resonant Order
I'm on X1d Expanded, Win7 Pro 64 bit.
Have you used Omnisphere or Absynth and had them work?
Yeah, I'm on the same O/S here as well. I have a working project with 4 tracks of Omni (One Omni instance with 4 outputs all using PC) and I just tested Absynth and it works fine here. Have you done all of the individual patches for the modules in Pro Channel?
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 11:13:12
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I use omnisphere in all my projects OK here, however I do get random issue the new levelling amp where it just wont respond to any changes I make on the amp itself if it insert the amp, but seems OK when loaded from a PC preset. Although this can happen on any track, not just omnisphere.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 11:53:28
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So, my problem was solved by pressing the post button to place the PC after my synth. But, I'm curious because Mudgel says it works on both Pre and Post settings. I use my synths by loading them into my effects bin to get around the bug for copy/paste with automation. Do you guys/gals load your synths differently? I'm fully patched and followed all instructions to the letter.
I'll do more tests today and see what I get.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 12:01:53
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That makes perfect sense. I load the synths up using Insert Synth from the menu and as separate MIDI and audio tracks, not inserted into the FX bin.
If you are inserting the synth into the FX bin it makes sense that you'd have to have Pro Channel inserted after that, or you'd have no signal yet to process. Glad you figured out a solution, and hope it works well for you moving forward.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 12:13:57
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Thank you for your help everyone. I've been testing it more, and the PC works 100% of the time when the Post button is engaged. Problem solved, and I'm good to go. /wipes sweat off brow...
I find it odd since I assumed that no matter how you load a synth, it would pop up in exactly the same place in the signal chain, and be processed just like regular audio. According to the signal flow chart I have, which is from way back in Sonar 7, that's what it shows. If there are different signal flow scenarios depending on what loading method you use, it would be nice if Cakewalk could make up some diagrams showing the different scenarios. Then again, this is the first instance I've run into where this happens. Besides this hiccup, X1d expanded has been the most solid of any X1, and dare I say any version of Sonar, that I've run.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 12:19:28
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Originally I was working with synths and samples that had already been bounced, so that's why I never noticed the behavior. The PC worked perfectly. Now that I've established that the PC works differently according to how you load the synth, I would say again that it works perfectly. Sometimes I would get a problem where the PC graphics would hang in the console view, but that problem I attribute to the surrogate video card in my comp. My older one died, so I've got an eight year old card in there right now until a new one arrives. X1d is solid here, and I was actually surprised that I had a problem.
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Have you tried bouncing your midi tracks to audio before running through Pro Channel? I am interested in grabbing X1 expanded Komplete and Omni so it would be good to know about before spending the cash.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 12:34:47
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If you load synths by dragging and dropping from the browser (so easy! I keep my browser docked on the left and inspector undocked on second screen, quick drag and drop of synths and plugs into the track pane that way), then my way to work out synth envelope problems is:
-have the instrument out and midi tracks showing as opposed to an Instrument track
-wherever there is automation on the Instrument output track, control shift drag (copy a clip) of the midi clip up to the Instrument out track.
-Now when you drag that mid clip or copy it anywhere else on the Instrument out track, the nodes/automation will follow, thus being able to copy synth automation anywhere. The midi clip being in the Instrument out track will not cause any problems or sound change.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 12:35:57
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Resonant Order
Thank you for your help everyone. I've been testing it more, and the PC works 100% of the time when the Post button is engaged. Problem solved, and I'm good to go. /wipes sweat off brow...
I find it odd since I assumed that no matter how you load a synth, it would pop up in exactly the same place in the signal chain, and be processed just like regular audio. According to the signal flow chart I have, which is from way back in Sonar 7, that's what it shows. If there are different signal flow scenarios depending on what loading method you use, it would be nice if Cakewalk could make up some diagrams showing the different scenarios. Then again, this is the first instance I've run into where this happens. Besides this hiccup, X1d expanded has been the most solid of any X1, and dare I say any version of Sonar, that I've run.
When you insert a synth the way I do it, it's basically plugging the synth into the input of the audio channel, whereas the way you are doing it it's later in the chain. Conside the FX bin like a send and return from a mixing board and you can put the Pro Channel before or after that send. When you use the insert synth command, the Pro Channel will always be after the synth because synth is the first thing in the entire channel. Anyway, why it works isn't that important now. Just glad it is working for you!
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 12:47:50
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That makes sense Genhis  I wouldn't really ever want my PC before a synth, but pre or post effects bin I may switch, but to each their own! If PC is pre synth, no sound is going through it so nothing gets processed. Am I trippin? Lance
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 13:10:28
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Lanceindastudio
That makes sense Genhis
I wouldn't really ever want my PC before a synth, but pre or post effects bin I may switch, but to each their own!
If PC is pre synth, no sound is going through it so nothing gets processed. Am I trippin?
Lance
Yeah, that's why it wasn't working when he inserted it into the bin because it was before the synth, so nothing to process. The way you are inserting the synth it doesn't matter, the synth is connected to the input of the audio channel, so it's always gonna go throught the PC. I liked your suggestion on the automation issue as well. I'll have to give that a try sometime, although I've never seen the bug before. I tend to get the layout and arrangement of the song completed and automate things as the last step. It would definitely come in handy in certain circumstances though. OK, been playing guitar and bouncing around various forums all morning... I really should get out and enjoy some of this sunshine we're having today.
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Re:So...Omnisphere and Pro Channel is a No No?
2012/04/28 13:19:42
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haha yeah is nice in hollyhood too. i got o to the cornerr baker for breakfast then it is studio all day lol
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