SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message?

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2006/01/10 23:53:14 (permalink)

SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message?

When I load SONAR 3 a window opens saying that I have not selected a MIDI Output device. The Window does list the "Microsoft MIDI mapper" as an output device, and yet when I select it, it's ignored and the message MIDI Output Device not selected is diplayed again. This would continue indefinitely until I simply click on load without MIDI output device, and, of course, no MIDI files can play. When I run a different program, VOYETRA, it notes that I don't have a MIDI "INPUT Device", but it accepts the "Microsoft MIDI Mapper" as a valid output device and consequently it plays MIDI files.

Does anyone know why SONAR fails to select the "Microsoft MIDI mapper" as an output device?
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    Phrauge
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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2006/01/11 00:04:09 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: xytsrm
    Does anyone know why SONAR fails to select the "Microsoft MIDI mapper" as an output device?


    Because it's not a MIDI device.

    What sound card are you using? Have you tried Tutorial 9 "Using Soft Synths" on page 103 in the S3 manual, yet?
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    Junski
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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2006/01/11 05:36:28 (permalink)
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    post edited by Junski - 2006/01/14 03:42:08


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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2006/01/11 07:04:12 (permalink)
    You don't need any MIDI in or out ports if you don't have any external MIDI devices connected. When you insert soft synths (e.g. the VSC in S3), Sonar creates virtual MIDI outs for you automatically.

    loop

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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2006/01/11 11:22:38 (permalink)
    I am some what confused by the responses:

    Phrange and Junski,

    I understand that the MIDI mapper is a software synth, but I don't understand why any setups would be necessary in Windows for SONAR: remember I stated that another software recorder, VOYETRA, has no problem playing MIDI files using the microsoft MIDI mapper, without any changes to the Windows setups.

    LoopJunkie,

    Why didn't SONAR automatically generate virtual channels for the microsoft MIDI mapper? Remember I stated that SONAR lists the microsoft MIDI mapper as a valid output device, and I can select it, but when I click on "Ok" it again says that I haven't selected a MIDI output device.

    Thanks for all of your responses.

    X

    P.S. I do have a MIDI keyboard, but when it's not connect to my computer, and I want to do a quick check on something, the MS MIDI mapper is convenient.
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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2006/01/11 11:26:38 (permalink)
    The emulated Midi output options depend on which audio driver you've selected in Sonar. I think.

    For example, I'm usually forced to use MME (it gives me lower latency than ASIO or WDM for some reason) and that exposes the Microsoft GS Wavetable Midi Mapper thingy.

    Try changing audio drivers and using the other MIDI output devices that will appear.
    post edited by Rinkwraith - 2006/01/11 11:30:26
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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2006/01/11 11:32:49 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: xytsrm
    I understand that the MIDI mapper is a software synth


    No, the MIDI Mapper is not a software synth. It can generate no audio from MIDI data. If you're hearing sounds while using VOYETRA, you're probably hearing sounds generated from your sound cards built in MIDI synth or the MS Wavetable Synth. Again, what sound card are you using? What drivers are you using?
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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2006/01/11 11:36:07 (permalink)
    LoopJunkie,

    Why didn't SONAR automatically generate virtual channels for the microsoft MIDI mapper?


    Because it's not a Sonar soft synth plugin, just a historic leftover from old Win3.1 which somehow Microsoft forgot to eliminate. It does not conform to the DXi or VST standards. Don't use it for music, ever (it can mess up a configuration with real MIDI ports).

    loop

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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2006/01/11 13:18:40 (permalink)
    Phrauge and LoopJunkie,

    Thanks for the clarifications. The sound card appears to be a Crystal Soundfusion CS4281 WDM Audio.

    X
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    Phrauge
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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2006/01/11 13:32:10 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: xytsrm
    The sound card appears to be a Crystal Soundfusion CS4281 WDM Audio.


    I'm not familiar with that sound card. Which drivers are you using? Have you tried the MME drivers? Have you tried Tutorial 9. S3 shipped with the VSC. It's not the greatest soft synth but it's probably better than the onboard MIDI. Tutorial 9 will walk you through setting up and using the VSC. HTH.
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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2006/01/11 14:38:34 (permalink)
    Phrauge,

    Thanks for your input, I'll checkout those tutorials. This is probably a question beyond the scope of the message board, but do you have any knowledge of any good books which provide examples on how to use Microsoft Media SDK library to build applications. I have a need to write application for a type of graphic MIDI monitor. MS does not provide any useful examples in their MSDN Library, and the only book I've seen called Maximum MIDI By Paul Messick only explains the use of his own classes, not the use of the Microsoft Media SDK.

    Thanks

    X
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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2007/02/26 09:50:39 (permalink)
    Hi, I had this same problem and just read the solution from another forum.

    Try going to Options, then Audio, then on the Advanced tab, look for "Driver mode" (or something like it, might be different for different versions of SONAR, i don't know hehe), then choose MME 32-bit. you may need to restart SONAR after this.

    Anyway, once restarted, Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth will be available in the list of MIDI outputs and you can select it and SONAR won't bug you about it again hehe
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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2007/02/26 23:15:37 (permalink)
    Why are you only now loading Sonar 3? The current version is Sonar 6.

    Dave
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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2007/02/27 00:56:16 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: daveny5

    Why are you only now loading Sonar 3? The current version is Sonar 6.


    Well, personally, I bought Sonar 4 right before I found out we were having a second child, so it got shelved until she got old enough to manage more easily. As for upgrading to 6, I'd rather put $100 elsewhere.....I'm concerned that 6 would be slightly slower than 4......and I don't want to wait a couple weeks for it to get here.
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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2007/02/27 01:19:55 (permalink)
    Your concerned about 6 being slower than 4. Sonar 6 is way more efficiant than sonar 4. But i can understand about using the $100 elseware, especially after havingyour secound child.

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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2007/02/27 02:15:58 (permalink)
    Good to know. That along with groovesynth may be enough to push me to upgrade.
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    RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2007/02/27 19:25:14 (permalink)
    Do you have Sonar 3 or 4? Seems like you're confused.

    Dave
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    Re: RE: SONAR 3 - "No MIDI Output" message? 2011/05/13 21:26:33 (permalink)
    My solution was pretty simple - I just went to OPTIONS --> AUDIO --> ADVANCED --> and then changed my DRIVER MODE to MME (32 Bit). Then my midi outputs had an additional Microsoft GS Wave Length and put it at the top of the list. Then everything worked fine.
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