SONAR 6 - is there a way to align measure starts to MIDI data to create tempo map?

In Sonar 6, after you play in a midi track in real time with all your nuances and timing, can you then go back and drag barlines to lineup with the first beat of measures -- thus creating a tempo map? Or is there something similar to this In Sonar 6? Would be very helpful while writing orchestral music. I heard about this feature in Nuendo, and was wondering...

Thanks,
Mahlon

Yes indeed you can basically do this. Check out fit to improvisation in the help file. It can also be done with audiosnap but with fit to improve you basically beat out a track to match the correct rhythm, and fit to improv will add a whole bunch of tempo changes so that all the notes line up where they should without changing the music.

ORIGINAL: Mahlon

Thanks for the help, guys. I was hoping there would be something more visual than fit improvization. I suppose this could be a feature request, eh?

Mahlon

I think the "new" feature introduced in Sonar 6, namely Audiosnap, sounds like something you could use to achieve this. I think you need to align the beats in an audio track (rather than a MIDI track, which surprises me that this part was left out) -- but all the accompanying MIDI stuff should re-align accordingly. I know, because I've done this when recording my band where our drummer uses a V8 (midi) drum kit. I use the audiosnap tool against the drummer's audio tracks, and his accompanying MIDI that I captured realigns itself as you'd expect.

The net effect is that nothing should sound any different, but now you have a matching tempo grid with which to work. Of course, you can then take it a step further, and using audiosnap in conjunction with the tempo map, change the tempo map such that the audio tracks (and midi tracks of course) will change tempo too. It can take a bit of work to make it sound natural and without artifacts generated everywhere, but certainly possible.

We had one song where the drummer dropped his sticks and, in picking them up, the tempo wavered significantly for a few measures. It took me a while to play around with it, but I eventually got it to sound right where you wouldn't even notice the original issue. Of course, it's often better to redo the song if you can, but sometimes you have no choice and audiosnap is a great tool -- and why I asked for such a feature to be added for many releases. Just be prepared to experiment and learn....and you'll be surprised at what you can do.

Thanks VariousArtist and vovchik. I'll try both those methods. I work in just orchestral midi -- so I don't have any audio. I could convert the midi to audio, but I'd like to be able to work with the tempo ineteractively while working with midi -- before final mixing.

Thanks again,
Mahlon

SONAR 6 - is there a way to align measure starts to MIDI data to create tempo map?
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Ok Mod Bod, that's pretty cool. I guess I'm going to have to upgrade to 6.