SONAR 7 Now Shipping - Product Feature List

No response to my inquiry about CAL.

Am I the only one who thinks this is important?

Anyone have any info about whether CAL is still supported in Sonar 7?

thanks!

Possibly The Fastest $179 I've Ever Spent

I was one of those people who was complaining about MIDI when Sonar 6 came out.

Looks like I have less to complain about now.

With that and all the other improvements and goodies S7 includes, it took less than a minute for me to place my order.

Yeah we will just have to keep a look out, I think they should have given it to us for free, to only give it out to people in September kind of sucks but its all good as long as they hook us up. It would have been nice if they would have given like 3 months or something you know. Anyways however we get it it will be worth it.

ORIGINAL: Marketing [Cakewalk]

If you upgraded in August 2007 you will be getting an email tomorrow with a special limited time offer with a reduced price on your upgrade.

Bummer, man. I bought the Sonar 6 PE upgrade on July 25. Is there any chance for an exception on that deal?

Regards, lightninrick

ORIGINAL: lightninrick

ORIGINAL: Marketing [Cakewalk]

If you upgraded in August 2007 you will be getting an email tomorrow with a special limited time offer with a reduced price on your upgrade.

Bummer, man. I bought the Sonar 6 PE upgrade on July 25. Is there any chance for an exception on that deal?

Regards, lightninrick

Hope I'm not talking out of school here, but it seems like last year they did cut some slack on that. As a matter of fact, I was in the same boat, bought S5 about two days before the deal started. Cake gave me the upgrade special price.

ORIGINAL: lightninrickBummer, man. I bought the Sonar 6 PE upgrade on July 25. Is there any chance for an exception on that deal?

I ordered mine on July 30, but didn't receive it until August 1. Maybe - just maybe...

If not, it wouldn't be the first time I was standing on the dock while the ship headed out to sea.

Ah, well. At least I've been having fun with it for the last month and a half.

ORIGINAL: Marketing [Cakewalk]

If you upgraded in August 2007 you will be getting an email tomorrow with a special limited time offer with a reduced price on your upgrade.

I did, I upgraded august 28th (yeah how's that, just a few days away from a free upgrade, I received it btw in september...), but did not receive an email yet. Are they sent yet?

Hugo

I upgraded the 28th to, checking my email-account at least every second hour waiting for the mail and hoping I can afford the upgrade Sonar 7 seems great!

Wow, this is an awesome-looking feature set. Sidechaining, improved MIDI, mastering tools and a whole lot more!

I'm still on a woefully-underpowered Sony Vaio laptop running HS6XL. All I need to do now is decide whether to get a meaty PC or a Mac. Anyone know how well this will run in Bootcamp on an Intel Mac? The marketing blurb suggests that can be done.

What's a Mac apart from a raincoat?

So what's the difference between Rapture and Rapture LE? I don't know if I would be happy with Rapture LE or if I would still want the full-blown Rapture.

ORIGINAL: Gerry
What's a Mac apart from a raincoat?

Heh, funny. I've been a Windoze user for years, but I have to confess I look at Vista and shout "run away!". Hence my tangy apple-flavoured post...

Ok I'm jazzed about the upgrade and I bought. Great new features guys!

ORIGINAL: Passion driven

Yeah we will just have to keep a look out, I think they should have given it to us for free, to only give it out to people in September kind of sucks but its all good as long as they hook us up. It would have been nice if they would have given like 3 months or something you know. Anyways however we get it it will be worth it.

I received the email and I ordered. Upgrade for $79 for August purchaser. Fair, I think.

huh i havent seen anything yet maybe later today, trust me im checking every hour on the hour haha. are they sending it to you or is it a download???

ORIGINAL: Passion driven

huh i havent seen anything yet maybe later today, trust me im checking every hour on the hour haha. are they sending it to you or is it a download???

Sending it. $8.95 for postage.

thats included in the 79.00 price or do we add it on?? does it come with a manual also??

ORIGINAL: Passion driven

thats included in the 79.00 price or do we add it on?? does it come with a manual also??

$87.95 total. Not sure, but would hope so.

right on man well i still haven't gotten anything but i hope its soon cause i cant wait to get my hands on it haha.

I had some problems with my cake-account , but was able to order it yesterday
....and also bought a Cakewalk T-shirt

Hmmm... why would someone care about being able to burn CDs within Sonar? Most people have a separate app for this already, no?

I must admit, I don't 'get' most of the new features. I'd be happy if they just fixed a bunch of bugs. Speaking of which, I'd love to be able to see Friendly IO names show up in track view. Wonder if this bug is fixed?

Yeah people have other cd burning apps but why go through the trouble and time of doing it with something else when you can do it all in one program. i think its pretty sweet.

Upgraded to 6 producer on August 8th, assume I will get email tomarrow..

I love producer 6, and the vintage channel.... am anxious to see the 7 mastering eq tools.....

Hope the cost is reasonable.....

mcg

I've got the same issue. I buy the upgrade each year, and it looks like some great enhancements; But I've already bought Z3TA+ , Dim Pro and Rapture. So repeating it or having LE's in the way doesn't help me much. But I do like the side-chaining and the MIDI enhancements. So, I'm stuck for the first time, and I don't know whether to upgrade or not. I sure wish I got some kind of credit for all my purchases, not just what version of Sonar I have (6).

Bob Metivier

Just ordered mine!!!!! AudioMIDI has the competitive crossgrade (to studio) for $189!!!! Since I got both Cubase LE and Sonar LE with my E-MU USB 0404, I could have done either upgrade or crossgrade... so it seems you're better off if you're not cakewalk customer. :-) Just kidding... I can't wait to get S7 - I haven't drooled this much over a purchase since I was a little kid!!!! And judging from the reaction on the Cubase forums, looks like I won't be the only one running for the crossgrade! Well done, Cakewalk - you make me proud to be a fellow Bostoner. :-)

Compact Discount

ORIGINAL: madfloyd

Hmmm... why would someone care about being able to burn CDs within Sonar? Most people have a separate app for this already, no?

Yes. Several, in fact, in my case. Heck, Windows Media Player does it.

I'm not buying S7 for the CD features.

HOWEVER, this capability is a definite plus for me because when mastering a song, I like to knock out test CDs and run them around to different stereo systems (including my friend's entertainment center, a boombox and the sound systems in my two vehicles) to see how they'll sound in different environments.

Being able to do this directly from Sonar won't change the world, but it will be quite handy and I'm glad they added the capability.

It would be cool if you could import it to CD Architect.

I've been away from the forums a while, but on returning to the Cakewalk website was pleasantly surprised to see the Sonar 7 PE feature list.

Result - Without a second's hesitation I immediately placed my order, about ten minutes ago

Kudos Cakewalk.


Brendan.

What does the "integerated step sequencer" mean in implementation. Does it replace Session Drummer 1 in the sense that one can have a drum track running in the background either with or without looping/recording, synced in tempo to the (recording) audio track (eliminating copy/paste MIDI measures?

That is, is it an intelligent click track (among other things)? I'm not exactly how it works (I can already program a MIDI measure and copy/paste it)?

Thanks,

Chuck

I think its meant as another way of inputting notes. Good for people coming from the roland TR-X0X/groovebox style programming methods.
Very intuitive way of programming electronic music.

I love the step sequencer and the all the new plugins + easy sidechaining.

ORIGINAL: Gerry

What's a Mac apart from a raincoat?

Too true!

As for those white boxes wiht apple logos, they've always scared me because they look like there will jump out a teddybear or a dolphin any minute!

...

Your hard work is appreciated, but sadly I still see no improvements to Staff View and the ability to print professional scores. C'mon, how difficult can it be to code in support for Coda, Intelligent Repeats, and Alternate Endings, and improved Tuplets. Customizable, non-standard key signatures would be nice as well, for instance the ability to create a key with A, E, and F sharps (A#,B,C,D,E#,F#,G).

I think I'm going to have to skip this upgrade and spend the money on Finale Allegro instead.

Thanks,
Joe

Shipping? Really? How come mine which was ordered within hours of the announcement is still pending? I was told Friday that it was shipping that day, well it looks like they were wrong. If I don't see it on it's way Monday, I'll be sticking with S6PE until next year and Sonar 8.

And, for those of you who want to tell me to have patience, sorry I used that up with Musicians Friend who I don't do business with anymore since they couldn't get anything shipped in a timely manner.

What does the "integerated step sequencer" mean in implementation. Does it replace Session Drummer 1 in the sense that one can have a drum track running in the background either with or without looping/recording, synced in tempo to the (recording) audio track (eliminating copy/paste MIDI measures?

That is, is it an intelligent click track (among other things)? I'm not exactly how it works (I can already program a MIDI measure and copy/paste it)?

There's a video and description on this page which I believe may help.

All the best,

Brendan.

Does this version now have usable midi time stretch with quantize,
or, still the same "fit improvisation" which I cannot figure how to use?

Thanks.

Did they finally fix the audio gap problem?

More improvements! Yay!
Ordered the upgrade today - Love the new step writer. That'll save me $179 in time easy

Is there any plan to improve (at some time) the way drum tracks are handled?

Like - insert audio, midi or DRUM track

Then the piano roll brings up the drums hit with velocity tails, the left column shows the percussion instrument rather than the piano keys?

The instruments are GM2 as a default, a pull down offers a drum map selection (Groove Agent, EZ Drummer, etc).

Other programs do this, Sonar has this involved process to get the left hand instrument list, the drum hit icons AND being able to actually hear the kit

Or am I missing something?

Brammer


Sonar 6.2.1 (soon to be 7), Intel E6600, 3 gig 800 Mhz RAM, 2 320 Sata drives, Real Guitar, Real Strat, EZ Drummer

I just found the video and immediately ordered it. Thanks,

Chuck

ORIGINAL: brendantownsend

What does the "integerated step sequencer" mean in implementation. Does it replace Session Drummer 1 in the sense that one can have a drum track running in the background either with or without looping/recording, synced in tempo to the (recording) audio track (eliminating copy/paste MIDI measures?

That is, is it an intelligent click track (among other things)? I'm not exactly how it works (I can already program a MIDI measure and copy/paste it)?

There's a video and description on this page which I believe may help.

All the best,

Brendan.

I'm suprised more people aren't jumping for joy over the external effects plug-in feature.... I know it's THE selling point for me... no more "work-arounds" with routing things from a channel, over to a bus, then back to a different channel.... We can finally route the signal as it's supposed to be, without all the "work-around" clutter...

Thank You Cakewalk!!!

Sincerely,
Karsten J. Chikuri

ORIGINAL: NewJazzSyndicate

I'm suprised more people aren't jumping for joy over the external effects plug-in feature.... I know it's THE selling point for me... no more "work-arounds" with routing things from a channel, over to a bus, then back to a different channel.... We can finally route the signal as it's supposed to be, without all the "work-around" clutter...

Thank You Cakewalk!!!

Sincerely,
Karsten J. Chikuri

Amen... can't wait to use my outboard gear as 'plug-ins'!

It's probably because more and more people are recording and mixing in the box these days. I'm sure this is especially true for home recording users who don't have the need to invest a lot of money in outboard gear.

Scott

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ORIGINAL: enharmonic

No response to my inquiry about CAL.

Am I the only one who thinks this is important?

Anyone have any info about whether CAL is still supported in Sonar 7?

thanks!

Sorry your question got left behind in the rush.

CAL's still there.

ORIGINAL: davidstallard

So what's the difference between Rapture and Rapture LE? I don't know if I would be happy with Rapture LE or if I would still want the full-blown Rapture.

Rapture LE is essentially Rapture without a lot of its editability AND without a lot of the presets that Rapture ships with (but you STILL get to mess with its step generator). (I think you can manage to get more presets by downloading the Rapture demo though.)

I found sonar 6 was the best with the most.
I did the 5-6PE buy last year just before 6 came out
and have never looked back. 64bit now, xp pro

I don't use a lot of midi as all of my recording is
with the instruments that I play. (sonar 7s main upgrade from what I see)

I have the key boards connected with midi but I cant see
getting sonar 7 for just a few enhancements.

(besides I still haven't mastered the audio-snap and ACT controls)
or synths....or.......
and from the list below I have lots to play with, ... to master some of them,
thats a challenge.

Ubgrade to Sonar 7, Naa Ill wait till they can say Sonar Pro we have all the tools

Ordered my copy of Sonar 7PE a couple of minutes ago and have this twinkly feeling now waiting for it to arrive, like a small child waiting for christmas morning

wow. is there any other DAW that is so aggressively and routinely updated like Sonar? it's absolutely amazing.

oh and I'm totally stoked about the step sequencer. I've never been completely happy with having to program drums in the piano roll. I've gotten used to it but a step sequencer would be even easier.

Well - it looks like I'll probably be upgrading my system in the near future...

On my main DAW - a custom-built Mid-Tower system with a Pentium 4 2.4 ghz, 1 gb of RAM, 2 200 GB hard drives, and a MOTU 2408 mk II... I can't get through the demo song ("Room for Clarity") without the system dropping out.... I can get through if I bypass all the plug-ins... or if I jack the latency way up ( 21.3 ms).

I tried it on my laptop system, which is fairly new - a Celeron M 1.87 ghz, 512 mb of RAM, 1 80 gb SATA internal drive and a 300gb external USB 2.0 drive, and a Fast Track Pro USB 2.0 audio/midi interface....

If I run the project off the internal drive - it'll dropout fairly quickly... with the external drive, I can get all the way through without a dropout.

I can run the same project in Sonar 6 and the high track count and effects don't seem to pose a problem - as it will play the project through. The performance hit in Sonar 7 is just enough to send my system over the edge when running this demo project.... which, admittedly, does contain quite a few more tracks and simultaneous plug-ins than I would probably encounter in the majority of my projects.

So -- I'm wondering... Should I start looking at dual or quad core???

Sincerely,
Karsten J. Chikuri

Ok - I've been able to (sort of) get things going in Sonar 7 on my main DAW system... please see my post immediately above for details...

What I had to do was:

1) Print all the softsynth tracks as audio... then delete the soft synths from the SynthRack...
2) I disabled the LM64 Mastering Compressor. (Who uses a mastering processor when mixing anyways???)

Please note - for those don't already know this -- LM64 is SERIOUS resource hog! Granted, it's gonna be because of the quality of the processing involved... Which makes it more important to remember that this is a MASTERING processor... not a compressor you really should be doing at the mix stage. Oh well...

Softsynths would unlikely be a problem for me - as I do most of my softsynth work on a seperate computer, and just record the midi tracks on the main DAW.

Still contemplating putting together a quad-core system for my new DAW... Anyone have suggestions?

Sincerely,
Karsten J. Chikuri

There's a lot of good stuff in there - but, sob - why is'nt there any updates to the score editor?
The staff view is older than some of the users in here - don't think it has been altered since Cakewalk 8 ( maybe its even older? ).

Is'nt it time to bring the staff view into this century?

hi. sorry for my english:(

i bought sonar 5 studio last year and now i would like to know if i can buy the update sonar 7studio even if i didn't bought the update sonar 6 studio ???...

tks and sorry for my poor english !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

regards.

Cakewalks customer service sucks. I ordered my upgrade to Sonar 7 about 10 days ago. I have a serial and registration number but no product.
I have e-mailed them numerous times and all I get is the standard - check back with our website message.
I tried calling them twice - each time I was on hold for over two hours and then got hung up on.

If this is how they treat a paying customer - next time I'm going to think twice before sending them any of my money.

I am sooooooo glad I didn't dispose of my outboard effects......!!!! I didn't get 6...but this looks real interesting.....

Mike G.....

but did you had the sonar 5 ou 6 ??? i 'm in france and i can buy the update only on line....

tks

regards

5 PE .....(it's in my signature)......

Mike G.

ok..sorry i'did not see your signature. i'm a new member..... so it's possible. i ll do that just right now ! hope i'll dont have any problem like digitaleagle!

took the plunge ordered Sonar 7 and Dimension Pro and the Rapture upgrade.
waiting on the arrival of my new toys!

ORIGINAL: NewJazzSyndicate

1) Print all the softsynth tracks as audio... then delete the soft synths from the SynthRack...
Karsten J. Chikuri

Instead, you really just need to freeze the tracks. This will automatically convert them to audio and disconnect the synths from the audio engine.

Also, raising latency during mixdown is actually the correct thing to do because it allows more effects/synth plug-ins to be used. Don't be afraid to raise it to 100ms or even higher if you need it.

Scott

--
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Dear Scott,
First off - thanks for responding to my query on this forum. You're presence here is very much appreciated!

Yes - I COULD raise the latency to correct the problem -- and, that works well as I would only have to raise to about 40ms (roughly) for all the drop-outs and hiccups to stop.

That's ok for post-production -- but, what if I wanted to add another track or two on top of this (already pretty bloated) project? The increased latency would make monitoring (playback and live input) an adventure unto itself!

Oh - and yes, Freezing the tracks do help -- I also gave that a try, but forgot to mention it.

It's just wierd that all of sudden, my laptop (Celeron M 1.87 ghz) is now out-performing my main DAW (Pentium 4 2.4 ghz)

Sincerely,
Karsten J. Chikuri