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2017/11/21 19:43:16 (permalink)

SONAR DEAD! Are these my options?

1) Start a VERY long project to export ALL of my stuff and import what I can into a new DAW and start learning a new DAW from scratch and re-mixing everything in the new environment...YUCK!

2) Stay with a now dead DAW and hope that Windows updates don't break it...YUCK

3) Freeze Windows updates unplug from the network and use my SONAR DAW as a standalone DAW with no Internet connection and be stuck in time...Yuck!
 
Other options...anyone?

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 19:46:13 (permalink)
Sad but true.

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 19:48:29 (permalink)
I'll probably disconnect my studio pc from any net connections from now on.
I'll use it (for now) as long as it works.
All the best.

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 19:53:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rimshot 2017/11/21 21:25:57
Optimist view- When Cakewalk is sold off and re branded, they will make sure it imports old Sonar files.
 
In the interim you could... grab a copy of Studio One, Reaper, Magix or any other daw that works for you. Scan vst's export audio files. Whatever you need to do in order to complete projects. Again the software as it is right now will likely continue to work for 5 years minimum. That's 5 years or more of use free, think about it.If you like what you have keep using it.
 
Some folks still report using Pro Audio 9 and love it!

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 19:56:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/11/21 20:02:52
Option 3. I am going to order a new SSD for my C drive , install everything up o date and unplug it from the network. Hopefully none of the 3rd party stuff will nag me. I've been nagged by all 3 of my on line activators this last couple of weeks and all becuase of W10 updating. Just think,, 5 or more years of peace,, just make music,, no computer hassles.. maybe this is a blessing in disguise. At least my latest Sonar update seems to run smoothly. 
 
I see no reason to abandon Sonar,, it does more than I'll ever need, so I see no benifit in changing. Besides I'm going to get my $150 worth yet. 

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 20:58:42 (permalink)
Just letting you all know . . . 8.5 still works!
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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 21:18:02 (permalink)
My DAW PC is off the network.  It'll stay that way. I'll keep using Splat until the computer starts failing.
When that happens, i'll look for another DAW.  And it WON'T be anything under the Gibson umbrella, if they have anything at that time.
 
And yesterday I decided to purchase the rolling updates on my next paycheque...

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 21:20:26 (permalink)
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Option 3. I am going to order a new SSD for my C drive , install everything up o date and unplug it from the network. Hopefully none of the 3rd party stuff will nag me. I've been nagged by all 3 of my on line activators this last couple of weeks and all becuase of W10 updating. Just think,, 5 or more years of peace,, just make music,, no computer hassles.. maybe this is a blessing in disguise. At least my latest Sonar update seems to run smoothly. 
 
I see no reason to abandon Sonar,, it does more than I'll ever need, so I see no benifit in changing. Besides I'm going to get my $150 worth yet. 


With you all the way Johnny
 
My DAW is only ever connected to the network for product updates, I'm still running Win 7 so i'm just going to bide my time, see what happens and keep making music

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 21:21:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby user4325874 2017/11/21 21:48:37
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Just letting you all know . . . 8.5 still works!



Interesting.  Of course, what happens if you buy a new plugin and it doesn't work with 8.5?
 
Still, it does suggest that if DAW recording is just a hobby and you're willing to unplug from the internet and not add any new plugins, then any version from 8.5 to Platinum will stay viable for years to come...
 
For many of us, though, one or more of those conditions is not acceptable.  So the time has come to find a replacement and even though we might keep using Sonar, we have to prepare for the day that it crashes because of a new Slate/FabFilter/Waves/Whatever plugin....

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 21:22:55 (permalink)
There won't be anything from Gibson because there won't be a Gibson. 
 
There's no reason we won't be able to keep a computer going for say 10-12 years,, I still have a Dell XP computer than I think is from 2004. 

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 21:27:52 (permalink)
Option 4). Buy a license for Reaper ($60) and start to learn it at a comfortable pace.  Keep using Sonar until the day comes that it will no longer run on your system.  Hopefully, if that day comes, it's 2 years from now when you're fluent enough with Reaper so that the jump is painless.

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 21:43:50 (permalink)
Slugbaby
My DAW PC is off the network.  It'll stay that way. I'll keep using Splat until the computer starts failing.
When that happens, i'll look for another DAW.  And it WON'T be anything under the Gibson umbrella, if they have anything at that time.
 
And yesterday I decided to purchase the rolling updates on my next paycheque...


That sucks big time
I'll also keep my studio pc offline for a while.
I hope things get sorted before then

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 22:10:31 (permalink)
Personally, I hate win 10 and I was already more than halfway down the road of thinking that whenever I next need a new DAW pc I will just get a new version of the win7 offline one that I run now. The only snag for me with doing that was that one day the lifetime updates would require win10, so at least now that won't be an issue .
 
Third party VST's will no doubt also become incompatible with win7 before too long, so I guess I'll be saving some money there too. Truth be told with what I have already the only obstacle between me and production greatness is me and I'm realistic enough to know that's never going to change much.
 
 
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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 22:19:30 (permalink)
Presonus Studio is  a great piece of software as Craig mentioned  it's pretty close to Sonar.
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1) Start a VERY long project to export ALL of my stuff and import what I can into a new DAW and start learning a new DAW from scratch and re-mixing everything in the new environment...YUCK!

2) Stay with a now dead DAW and hope that Windows updates don't break it...YUCK

3) Freeze Windows updates unplug from the network and use my SONAR DAW as a standalone DAW with no Internet connection and be stuck in time...Yuck!
 
Other options...anyone?




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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 22:26:39 (permalink)
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Personally, I hate win 10 and I was already more than halfway down the road of thinking that whenever I next need a new DAW pc I will just get a new version of the win7 offline one that I run now. The only snag for me with doing that was that one day the lifetime updates would require win10, so at least now that won't be an issue .
 
Third party VST's will no doubt also become incompatible with win7 before too long, so I guess I'll be saving some money there too. Truth be told with what I have already the only obstacle between me and production greatness is me and I'm realistic enough to know that's never going to change much.
 
 


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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 22:32:18 (permalink)
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Presonus Studio is  a great piece of software as Craig mentioned  it's pretty close to Sonar.
amiller
1) Start a VERY long project to export ALL of my stuff and import what I can into a new DAW and start learning a new DAW from scratch and re-mixing everything in the new environment...YUCK!

2) Stay with a now dead DAW and hope that Windows updates don't break it...YUCK

3) Freeze Windows updates unplug from the network and use my SONAR DAW as a standalone DAW with no Internet connection and be stuck in time...Yuck!
 
Other options...anyone?






I think option 3 and add: start saving for a new computer is what will work for me.

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 22:40:50 (permalink)
If anybody has stable and good production environment working in studio this is rather easy choice...
 
Option 3 and freezing setup as kind od hardware appliance. Who cares about Windows updates and their improvements?
 
OS is only to serve as platform fo application which is used... We are all tricked by updates cycles etc... But in million dollars industry many companies still are using Cobol and Fortran etc... Just because it is working and doing job...
 
Do you remember 1 of main rule for mixing and mastering ?  ;) Don't fix if not broken...

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/21 23:16:55 (permalink)
All the corperate syetms are still W7 and for good reasons. Security and compatability with hardware. I work in a Hospital. We have over a 100 computers all working 100% day in day out doing everything from email to monitoring peoples vitals. All W7. The techs say they will get about another 7 or 8 year out of the OS. 
 
I'm sorely tempted to re install W7 to my main DAW,, but I'd loose the $100 paid for W8.1. 

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/22 02:33:35 (permalink)
I'm going back to tape. 

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/22 02:43:07 (permalink)
 Sadly in our ever evolving computer world, we become thrilled to new enhancements that sometimes fire up our creative juices, so the joy of creating music becomes thrilling. I have to admit I sailed from home studio six then entered Sonar series, up to X3d. 
 
 Along the way there are always development bugs, simply unavoidable, I noticed that with 8 series, got kinda cluttered, sure it had enhancements, but I created a lot of good tunes with 4, stayed with it for quite awhile.
 
 The bottom line is the music retail business is losing big $ ...some article that was published by a prominent business magazine quoted some large losses of some big players competing in this industry, there is more to come.
 
 Software has eluded me over the years, at one time during the Twelve Tone days new versions were churning up the community with excitement, I was kinda part of that, not in a big way, sometimes things got a little bumpy.
 
On an old Pink Floyd film produced (LIVE at Pompeii) one of the band members quoted "you gotta have it in your head in the first place to get it out!" He was referring to the fact that even back in the 70's the technological marvels of that age, still required creativity of us to make music.
 
 Look at us now, the DAW really has evolved as a wonder music tool, we can manipulate errors to fix things, now don't kid yourself, the power of computer music sometimes wants to take control, such as mixing algorithms, third party services. 
 
 My vision of DAW isn't so much on the computer doing all those things, rather more of more realistic three dimensional modeling of mixers and plug ins, not the flat two dimensional images found on every current DAW platform.  
 
So my option, stay with what I have, its stable, see what comes further down the road.
 
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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/22 03:02:51 (permalink)
Yeah, I still remember when Ampex went under. All those tape machines just stopped working! It was chaos.
 
No urgency to replace SONAR here. When it's eventually forced upon me, I'll look around at that time and see what's out there. Studio One 7 should be pretty good by then.


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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/22 04:40:52 (permalink)
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All the corperate syetms are still W7 and for good reasons. Security and compatability with hardware. I work in a Hospital. We have over a 100 computers all working 100% day in day out doing everything from email to monitoring peoples vitals. All W7. The techs say they will get about another 7 or 8 year out of the OS. 
 
I'm sorely tempted to re install W7 to my main DAW,, but I'd loose the $100 paid for W8.1.



Why would you want to go from Win 8.1 back to Win 7?  Win 8.1 is rock solid, with way more fixes and enhancements than Win 7. That's been my personal experience, and the few benchmarks I saw years ago easily back me up...
 
Now, Win 10 is a whole other story...

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/22 06:53:48 (permalink)
Option 3 definitly.
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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/22 13:31:40 (permalink)
WRT #1, it may not turn out to be as YUCK as you expect

just a sec

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/22 14:37:45 (permalink)
This is very very sad news I think. Been using Cakewalk since 1992, and bought the lifetime upgrade last year. This just feels wrong :-(
 




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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/22 14:52:46 (permalink)
I've decided to do a version of option #3.  I have two PC's.  I use one for Internet services and the other is my dedicated DAW.  I'm going to permanently disable Windows 10 updates on the DAW PC.  No need to disconnect from the network since I don't use the net on that box except for DAW specific functions such as plugin downloads and third party recording related updates...i.e. Superior Drummer and the like.

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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/22 18:54:48 (permalink)
Check out Mixcraft 8 Pro Studio. It is maturing like a fine wine with each new version. At $179 (on sale this weekend for $99), includes side-chaining, VST3 and MP4 support, 64-bit and 32-bit, live recording to performance panel grids and professional video editing. Includes integrated Melodyne Essentials directly into the sound edit tab, and one-click simultaneous publishing to soundcloud, mixcloud, youtube, FB, tumblr and your other music and video sites. Check it out at the Acoustica website.
 
Please allow me to point out the intangibles. We are a small software-only company focusing on the PC (like the early days of Cakewalk). We have a CTO who came from Sonic Foundry and worked on Acid and Vegas, which is why you will see that the Loop Library asset management and video editing are far superior than any other DAW on the market today. Mixcraft 8 is for real!
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Re: SONAR DEAD! Are these my options? 2017/11/23 00:24:20 (permalink)
All is not lost.  How long now have the rabid Ensoniq Paris users have kept that system alive?  It's just software.   It can be reverse engineered, it can be patched, and new drivers can be written to support new hardware.
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