SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading?

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SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading?

Hello!
 
I have what is probably a fairly pedestrian question, but I’d appreciate it if I could get some direction.  I am relatively new to using recording software and DAWs, so I apologize if I have neglected to provide any relevant information.
 
Anyhow, when I first started using Sonar X1 Essential, I had few problems with dropouts after I had adjusted my buffer size and my mixing latency buffer size.  However, since I have added audio (a few guitar tracks using a Cakewalk UA-1G) and my arrangements have become slightly more complex, I am experiencing frequent dropouts/clicks and pops.  What’s more, I have to restart my computer very frequently in order to open Sonar; it takes between three and five minutes to even open a project.  This seems a bit excessive.
 
I have readjusted my buffer size and my mixing latency buffer size, but I’m guessing that my dropouts/loading projects issues have more to do with the equipment I am using.  I defrag my computer daily.  Am I short on RAM or process or speed?  If I bought another two GB of RAM, might my problem be solved?
 
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
Have a good day!
 
Dan
 
Here is the equipment I am using.
 
Windows 7 (64 bit)
AMD Phenom 9600 Quad Core Processor
2.30 GHz
2.00 GB of RAM (1.87 GB usable)
 
I’m using an M-Audio Uno to connect my controller (a Kawaii K-11) and a Cakewalk UA-1G to connect my guitar to the computer.
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    agundrum
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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/04/25 11:45:45 (permalink)
    This is a fairly common question and an adjustment of buffer size isn't the issue.  A DAW is a very CPU intensive.  If you use your PC for things other than a DAW then many of your problems will be related to all these additional applications and services requesting as much from the CPU as any DAW application.

    As such an out-of-the-box installation of Windows 7 is not designed for DAW use.  I know.  I've tested this theory and proved it.  My system specs are below.

    Please refer to this post that has links to tweaks to improve performance and a little tool to help see the progress.

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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/04/25 12:33:55 (permalink)
    agundrum


    This is a fairly common question and an adjustment of buffer size isn't the issue.  A DAW is a very CPU intensive.  If you use your PC for things other than a DAW then many of your problems will be related to all these additional applications and services requesting as much from the CPU as any DAW application.

    As such an out-of-the-box installation of Windows 7 is not designed for DAW use.  I know.  I've tested this theory and proved it.  My system specs are below.

    Please refer to this post that has links to tweaks to improve performance and a little tool to help see the progress.

    +1 on the above advise. 
    I dont know if ya have a budget you are working with but if I were going to upgrade memory and depending on what harddrive ya have, I would look at a new computer if you can swing it. 
    I assume you are running the 32 bit version?


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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/04/25 17:43:07 (permalink)
    Hello John,
     
    This is much appreciated.  I'll let you know how it works out.
     
    Have a good evening!
     
    Dan
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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/04/25 17:43:40 (permalink)
    Sorry, the 32 version of Windows 7? 
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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/04/25 17:46:07 (permalink)
    Be sure to use ASIO drivers. If you're not sure how to set them up, check out the ASIO Configuration video here ... http://www.cakewalk.com/CakeTV/SONARU.aspx/Get-Started

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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/04/25 19:46:20 (permalink)
    Hello John,
     
    I gave this a try.  When I run the latency tool, I am in the green the whole time.  The absolute max peaked at 554, but averaged around 170.  Is this acceptable? 
     
    I went through the list you provided in order to speed up the program.  Unfortunately, I found I was unable to open Sonar due to the fact that there was not enough memory available (this is the message I received).  I'm assuming I did something wrong, so I restored my settings from yesterday.  I am now able to open Sonar, but it still took a while... around four minutes.  I'm still having dropout problems. 
     
    Is there perhaps another issue with my computer I am overlooking?
     
    Thanks!
     
    Dan
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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/04/25 20:00:32 (permalink)
    Hello Seth,
     
    I have the ASIO drivers configured, thank you.  Will I be able to have a MIDI controller running through one USB port and have the UA-1G through another?  When I configured the ASIO driver, I couldn't hear anything through my speakers; I had to use the headphone jack on my UA-!G.  There was still a lot of popping.
     
    Thanks!
     
    Dan
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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/04/30 23:02:35 (permalink)
    Hello Seth,
     
    I have selected the ASIO drivers.
     
    I opened up an existing project.  I pressed play and within a half a second, I experienced a dropout.  However, I did hear music through the headphones connected to my UA-1G in that brief time period.
     
    So, I have two follow-up questions:
     
    1. Why am I experiencing these dropouts?  I've adjusted the buffer in the ASIO panel.  Also, it takes about four minutes to load a project.  Are the dropouts and long loading time indicative that my computer is not up to task?  I am running Windows 7 on a Quadcore processor (2.3 GHz and 2.0 GB RAM).
    2. How can I get music to play through my speakers when I have both the M-Audio Uno and the UA-1G plugged in simultaneously?
     
    Thanks!
     
    Dan
     
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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/05/01 02:15:35 (permalink)
    Hmm...

    Reading your first post you said you had no problem until adding sound files and starting more complex projects. To me that sounds like you are running out of memory. Do not forget Windows 7 use a LOT of memory just to get some basic things running. If you add a memory-hungry program like Sonar you can easily run out of memory - especially when using large sound files. If you are running short of memory the swap memory get used. As this memory is disc based (a big "swap" file on your hard disk), it is painfully slow compared to RAM. This slowness can be easily be the source of your problems (drop-outs etc.).

    My advise is to invest a little in more memory. As you are using Windows 7 64 bit, you are not restricted to the 3,5 Gb maximum value. Memory is cheap these days, so anything in the range 4Gb to 8Gb is affordable. As I don't know the type or brand your motherboard, I cannot say if you just can add memory (if you have more then 2 memory slots) or have to replace your old memory.

    As for using two sound devices at the same time. When you are using ASIO I am afraid that is not possible (as far as I know). You can try using another driver (WDM or something), but I don't know if this has negative effect on your sound performance.
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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/05/01 17:01:50 (permalink)
    Hello JCLosed,

    Thank you for your response.  I can certainly add more RAM; I have the space to do this.  I had planned on purchasing an additional 4 GB of RAM.  Hopefully, that ought to do it. 

    If I simply unplug my audio device after recording (a Cakewalk UA-1G), can I continue to use the audio driver to monitor playback through the speakers?  Sorry to ask this, I know I could experiment to find the answer, but I now get dropouts quite literally every half second, so it is not possible to check on this!

    Have a good day, and thanks again.

    Dan
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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/05/01 18:47:15 (permalink)
    Yeah I'd bump up your RAM for starters.

    Ringing out a DAW can be a mind-destroying experience. Accrued gack, registry issues, driver issues, hardware gremlins, cables and connections, inadequate power supplies, RAM problems. Eesh.

    For starters, I'd do a few of the following things:
    • Defrag your hard disks
    • Run Memtest, a RAM diagnostic tool
    • Find a few of the optimization tips (one was linked above) and make a few tweaks. You'd be surprised how much power you can recoup by disabling unnecessary services
    • You don't say what your hard drive situation is, but if you're only using one I'd consider a dedicated audio drive...which are absurdly cheap nowadays
    • You don't mention what graphics card or whatnot you got, but take a look and evaluate. I upgraded mine when I got X1 and was shocked at my across the board performance gains
    • Run msconfig (or whatever the Win7 equiv is) and analyze your startup items. You'd be surprised how many programs have TSR items or agents that run at boot time and just hang out idling in the background ALL THE TIME

    And then report back when all this breaks your system so we can help you fix it. That's how I learned anyways. :-)


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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/05/03 17:48:24 (permalink)
    Hello Wicked,

    Ha!  I can't wait to break it! 

    Thank you so much for your detailed  suggestions.  I'll give these a try and let you know how it works.  Thanks for taking the time!

    Dan
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    Re:SONAR X1 Essential: Is my equipment responsible for dropouts/slow loading? 2011/05/15 18:34:29 (permalink)
    Hello All,

    Thank you so much for all of your input.  It turns out the issue was I simply did not have enough RAM.  I upped my RAM from 2 GBs to 6 GBs and everything is running smoothly.    

    I hooked up my speakers directly from my UA-1G and everything sounds swell.

    Thanks again!

    DAn
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