SONAR X1 PRODUCER AND MICROSTATION KORG

Hi, I am new here and a beginner. At last I have made two diferrent midi tracks and have asigned two diferent sound from the microstation(conected via usb), the inputs are microstation keyboard an the outputs are microstation sound. In the inspector the two midi tracks have diferent sound, but when I press play, there is only one sound playing(mixing the notes of the two tracks)! why? Any help please? I only want to use sonar as a sequencer for the microstation. Maybe make 5 or 6 midi tracks with diferent sounds and send them to the microstation!! Any help please?
Thanks in advance

Thanks skyline, thank you very much. in combi mod the problem is still there, but I think this problem is because of some midi configuration of the microstation.
Thanks in advance. Please if someone uses korg and sonar, help me.

1. Microstation has to be set in SEQ Mode or PROGRAM mode - loo at manual

2. Evert MIDI track should send data on different MIDI channel

Skyline_UK


"In the inspector the two midi tracks have diferent sound" - on different channel numbers, yes?

The only option in the output section of the inspector is microstation sound. no chanel option, in the input section, I can choose diferent chanel but it doesn´t matter. 
Thank you again Skyline

Please, look at my screen. Thanks for your patience

http://www.flickr.com/photos/66558587@N02/6059162266/in/photostream

Bottom left of first photo - looks like MIDI channel 1 for track 2.  Whay is it for track 1?  If it's also channel 1 then that is your problem.

John

Click I to close the Inspector.
Go into the drop down list which is in the field (the Track Control Menu) at about 2 o'clock on the red circle drawn on your first photo, by clicking on the down arrow and selecting either ALL or I/O.  You will then be able to see various fields in the tracks control area.  One will be for midi output channels.  Click to open it to see a list: 'none' and 1-16.  Select a different one for each of your two MIDI tracks, 1 or 2 for example.

Here is a picture of what I mean.
- I've set up two MIDI tracks, one for bass and one for piano.
- I've switched the track control to "I/O" - i.e. input/output so I can see the controls for these.
- Track one MIDI channel is set to 1 and the photo shows me about to select channel 2 for the second track.
 
You will see 'Roland Fantom' labels on these - that's my external hardware synth, the equivalent of your Korg.  It seems to me that you have not yet set up your Korg so that Sonar can 'talk' to it.  You do this in Instrument Definitions within Preferences - see second photo.  You will need to study how to do this under the 'Help' files as it's a bit difficult to describe here.  You will need a .INS file so you don't have to type in all your patch names and numbers.  You can download one here:
http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15955
In the second picture below you will see an 'Import' button over on the right. Download the zip file, unzip it and put it somewhere on your PC so that when you click the Import button you can navigate to it.

 And how well is that elitist approach working for you? :)
 
Oh right.. its not. 
  
In your own thread you have been given step by step directions on how to use the VST editor, and yet you have not done so... your failure to make it work is your own fault..I suggest you quit blaming Sonar.. :)
 
 
adrian4u


Skyline - KORG users don't have to install INS file - we just install editors - similar to VST plugin synths. But there's a big problem with Sonar and MIDI confguration of plugin (and MIDI transparency)

fritzl

I can´t select any other output than the damned microstation sound, no option for chanel 1, 2...

Could I suggest a simpler solution than creating INS files?

From your screenshots, the Microstation is identified in Sonar as a MIDI port called "microstation".

So. Set your track output port to "microstation" in the pulldown you've already tried. Looking at your screenshots you've no problem doing that. Don't worry about the channel number, it isn't set there.

The way MIDI routing works in Sonar MIDI track is like this. A track has an "input" port (e.g. your MIDI interface/controller), and the "input" pull-down also lets you set the channel on that port that the track is to listen to.

You can then tell Sonar to assign a different MIDI channel to the data coming in from that port. So your keyboard may be sending on channel 1, but the MIDI track can be set to output to a different channel.

The setting for that is in the "Channel" pulldown. It's the one right below the fx box in the Inspector - the pulldown has a small "c" on it. That is the setting you need to alter to change the MIDI track's channel number.

An example.

I have a Remote ST keyboard. Transmitting on channel 1. I want it to send MIDI to a MicroQ synth attached to a UA-101 USB interface's MIDI sockets, and the MicroQ is set to "listen" on channel 2.

So:
 
1) I set the track input to "Remote SL, channel 1".

2) Then set the track's MIDI channel (pulldown just below the fx box) to "Channel 2".

3) Then set the output port to "UA-101". There is no option to set the channel in the output port, that's done in the channel number setting (see step 2 above).

To run the MicroQ in multi-timbral mode, as well as setting the synth itself to multi-timbral I also need a track for each sound/part. Each track may have the same input port and channel and the same output port. However each will need a different MIDI channel number setting in each track's channel selection pulldown.

This might seem a strange way to do things, but if you use MIDI hardware it can actually be quite useful.

Don't worry about instrument definitions (INS files). They can be useful but are by no means necessary. And creating them is hard work.

What can be useful is setting up a bunch of tracks for a synth so that they work properly, then saving them out as a track template you can re-load into any project as necessary.

Hope that helps.

Thanks again skyline!! now theres chanel 2 in the track 2, just like in your screenshot. It doesn´t matter the ins file, In generic patch 0-127 I can find all the programs of my microstation. The problem now is that track two, in chanel two doesn´t play a sound! Sonar is sending signal but nothin happens in the microstation.  
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/66558587@N02/6060745221/
Thank you very much

Glad you got it sorted.  Remember:

- Synth in multi-timbral mode (or whatever your Korg handbook calls it, Sequencer mode?) but NOT single patch mode.
- Each track in Sonar = each separate sound you want on the Korg.
- A different channel for every track (NB: channel 10 is usually reserved for percussion/drums)

Importing the .INS file will just make things more convenient in terms of seeing patch names, audiitoning and selecting them.

John

Mystic38


 And how well is that elitist approach working for you? :)
 
Oh right.. its not. 
  
In your own thread you have been given step by step directions on how to use the VST editor, and yet you have not done so... your failure to make it work is your own fault..I suggest you quit blaming Sonar.. :) 
 

Yup - my fault, o me poor man, Massa Mystic gotta right, me stupid, massa Mystic Wise massa
:P 
What I was trying to say (and you tok it ironically), that there is another way, not only use INS files.
It's like you "would recommend" for everyone using crappy ACT instead of (i.e.) Automap and they should be glad and happy and bless the Sonar because of this futuristic ACT tecnology that DOESN"T work..
In a fact ACT is one of worst things that never changed in Sonar, and it has to be changed even in 8 version, no mentioning X1.
People still have to "messing arroud" to make it work with their controllers as they want and as it should work (and not as it "works").
and - don't tell me that I still have to shut my mouth up and don't "blame" Cakewalk.....
 
I still think that Sonar is a really good piece of DAW, but unfortunately has few major disadvantages whih make work with in not as good as it should be.
 
btw. look at (i.e.) MIDI LEARN function in other DAWs and (if it is :P) in SONAR. - Just try to use some VST synths :P Wish you luck and patience. I had to buy Novation Nocturn to get here what I have in standard in other DAWs.

fritzl

Glad you've got it working.

What do you think of the Microstation out of interest?

tlw


fritzl

Glad you've got it working.

What do you think of the Microstation out of interest?

Well, I think it´s a powerfull tool. I played sinths 12 years ago, we had a band then. But, we left music and now we´re returning. The programs are cool, and above all, it super portable, You can take the microstation everywere. The only thing I don´t like is the mini keys, but when you get used to it, it doesn´t matter. in a word: Versatile.


Excuse my english, and thanks again