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2013/05/31 16:58:32 (permalink)

SONAR X2 and MCU PRO

Hi,
I just bought the Mackie MCU Pro, as there are a few issues which do not allow me to make the full use of the device in cooperation with SONAR X2.
The most important problem seems to be three of the buttons from the "V-Pot Assign" section. Specifically, "EQ", "Compressor" and "Plug-in" do not work in accordance with their original applications. When I press the "EQ" button, what I get on the dispay is: "Track Compressor". The same effect appears after pressing the "Plug-in" button, whereas the "Compressor" button shows: "None" info on the display. All this takes place no matter if I use any plug-ins in a given project or not. As for the "Track Compressor", the only effect available is the SONAR's Pro Channel Compressor. All attempts of switching to different sets of compressors or equalizers (by pressing the Left or Right Channel buttons along with "M1" plus "Edit" buttons) bring no effect ("none" info on the display). I know this procedure is addressed in SONAR X2 Reference Manual based on the "ACT", but in my particular case I find it difficult to put these instructions in practice. Could you please help me assign the proper plug-ins to their corresponding buttons?
Another problem (possibly related to the above mentioned) is connected to the "Automation" section. "Snapshot" and "Disarm" buttons do not work. "Read/Off" works properly, but it does not link to the corresponding icon in SONAR. As a result, even though the button works, I do not see the effect on the computers screen. What makes things worse, the corresponding LED does not hold its light. The problem of the LEDs not holding their light is true also of all the remaining buttons from the "Automation" section.
If anyone knows, what to do, please help!
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/05/31 17:23:17 (permalink)
The reason is that CW has not bothered to update the dll for the MC with all the changes in X2. 

For some reason CW has had this problem for a very long time dealing with changes in the software that are not correspondingly changed in the support for various control surfaces.  

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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/05/31 17:58:59 (permalink)
Thank you, John, for quick reply! So, don't know hat to do - waiting for dll update or better return the MCU PRO to the dealer (I have still few days to do).
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Adam
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/05/31 18:08:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Adam I have had my Mackie Control since it first came out. I have had zero problems with it in all these years.  It is the most supported CS around and is the default standard. If you have it I would keep it. There really is no better choice. 

Its up to us the users to get CW to update its support. 

Keep in mind its up to the developers to support the MC. This means a different developer will do a better job of providing full support. 

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John
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/05/31 18:18:59 (permalink)
OK, if you think in the end they will release a dll update, I'll keep my CS. I really like it, and that's too bad it doesn't work totally properly.
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Adam
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/05/31 18:35:57 (permalink)
Additional info - in my SONAR X2 is used MackieControl.dll ver.17.5.2.306. I don't know, how old is that file...
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/02 17:46:34 (permalink)
Hi John!
Is there any other way to communicate with you (email or so?).
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/02 18:09:17 (permalink)
You could PM me. I do have an email account but I don't hand it out unless you ask for it. 

On my system that file was modified on sept 12 2012. But that has no meaning.

Its age should not be important. What is important is does it work. 

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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/02 18:28:01 (permalink)
Hi, John, thanx for reply.  Now, I have another problem. I‘ve noticed is that the movement of the faders (MCU PRO) is not as smooth as it should be – I’d say it’s rather jerky. I’m just wondering if it is also the fault of Sonar, or maybe the reason is different.Is there any way of testing the faders without Sonar? I don’t have any other DAW software. Maybe there’s a special software for testing the movement of the faders. I know that after powering the device on the faders undergo their internal test by moving up and down, but during this test their movement is so quick that it’s impossible to spot any problems.
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Adam
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/02 18:31:55 (permalink)
BTW - what do you mean by the PM acronym. I do not know, sorry...
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/02 19:22:02 (permalink)

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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/02 19:29:20 (permalink)
Private message. Click on my name and a menu will drop down PM is one of the things you can do. 

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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/02 20:28:09 (permalink)
The faders on the Mackie Control are very smooth. They also have a long throw. That means they have a lengthly movement. When you turn on the MC it will go through a calibration and the faders should move smoothly. Keep in mind they can move quite fast. Also be sure you are in the right mode.  You want to be in Mackie Control mode. 

What I wonder is do you have it setup right?


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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/02 20:44:16 (permalink)
Yes, my MC is in the Mackie Control mode. I made a short movie (film) of the moving faders, but I do not know, how to send it to you (as attachment?).
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/03 18:51:09 (permalink)
Hi, John. 
I understand, that you are working on MCU and SONAR - do you encounter such problem with the faders, like me? 
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Adam
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/03 19:41:41 (permalink)
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Hi, John. 
I understand, that you are working on MCU and SONAR - do you encounter such problem with the faders, like me? 
Best,
Adam

Mine are fine. And no I am on the MC. It was the first version. The MC has Mackine Control mode and Logic Control mode. and uses MIDI ports only.  The MCU has Mackie Control mode plus Logic  control mode and HUI mode with MIDI ports. The MCU Pro has the same modes plus MIDI and USB. 

In reality they are the same when using the Mackie control mode. 

If the faders are jerky it could be a defective unit.  

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John
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/04 04:18:26 (permalink)
MCU & XT (not Pro) user here and no jerky faders either. I'm really hoping that any future version has much improved Mackie protocol support. It hasn't been 100% for a long, long time and is getting worse.

Inability to control the PC is the most annoying. Currently you'll only "see" the first module in the PC. I'm using ACT and a different surface for ProChannel control but it'd be nice to have it from the MCU.
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/04 16:43:57 (permalink)
Thank you, Karl!
I hope, after releasing update of MackieControl.dll by Cakewalk, everything will be OK.
Few days ago I have bought your "SWA Complete Sonar X2" video tutorial - thank you, it is very helpful!
Best Regards,
Adam
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/04 16:55:05 (permalink)
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Thank you, Karl!
I hope, after releasing update of MackieControl.dll by Cakewalk, everything will be OK.
Few days ago I have bought your "SWA Complete Sonar X2" video tutorial - thank you, it is very helpful!
Best Regards,
Adam




Thanks for the support Adam and I'm glad you are finding it useful.
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/04 19:36:20 (permalink)
John, how are you?
I just tried another DAW applications with my MCU PRO. After testing my SONAR X2 (faders are jerky), next MOTU Digital Performer 8 (faders goes smooth up, but jerky down) and finally MAGIX Samplitude Pro - here faders works, say, good in both directions. And what should I do? I planned return the unit (as defective) to the seller, but in actual situation? I do not know... I do not want to work with Samplitude (although it looks enough attractive), beacuse I use SONAR for few years.. Do you think, this mysterious .dll file in a new version could help me with these jerky faders? (and these not working buttons) in MCU PRO?
Best,
Adam
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/04 19:50:22 (permalink)
Well for me and I hope Karl too the faders work very well no jerkiness in X2. If they are working well in other DAWs then its likely your unit is working well. 
 
Its up to CW to bring full support to the MC. When this will happen I don't know. It is not as much of a problem for me because I don't use the MC to control the ProChannel or VSTs. 
 
What I do miss is the F buttons are not as useful as they used to be.  A lot of options that they used to control are gone. 

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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/04 20:16:09 (permalink)
Thank you John! You are right. I 'll be waiting for a .dll update. I also think, that the F buttons do not provide the sufficient options.
All the Best,
Adam
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/04 20:25:03 (permalink)
Adam please forgive me. I just noticed you are new. Please take this belated welcome as you are really welcome to this forum. 
 
You have a very nice style that I for one appreciate. 

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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/05 02:17:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Ludvig 2013/06/12 15:39:45
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Thank you John! You are right. I 'll be waiting for a .dll update. I also think, that the F buttons do not provide the sufficient options.
All the Best,
Adam




Hi Adam - ref the F buttons. You should be able to assign just about any function to those. As long as it is available in the ACT function list (even though it doesn't use ACT as such).
 
Open up the Mackie properties page from the Utilities menu and change them from there. You can set up several different presets as well and load them as needed.
 
HTH
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/06 07:44:13 (permalink)
Thank you John for a very nice, warm reception. I did not expect it. Thank you!  Back to my problem with MCU PRO... Today is the last day I can return it to seller. Most of facts show me, the device is not defective, but I do not know, what to do... Keep it and wait "nobody knows how long" for SONAR's dll update or return it, to wait for an update and then buy it again (it could be an year or two of waiting for that .dll!). Hmm...
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Adam
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/06 07:47:25 (permalink)
And Karl - thank you for an info about F-buttons. I know about assigning these buttons to various functions by presets, but, in my opinion, it too bad we can not to assign the F-buttons to remaining possible functions in menu.
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Adam
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/06 08:20:33 (permalink)
I would keep it. But then I have had mine for a very long time. 

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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/06 10:19:54 (permalink)
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John, how are you?
I just tried another DAW applications with my MCU PRO. After testing my SONAR X2 (faders are jerky), next MOTU Digital Performer 8 (faders goes smooth up, but jerky down) and finally MAGIX Samplitude Pro - here faders works, say, good in both directions. And what should I do? I planned return the unit (as defective) to the seller, but in actual situation? I do not know... I do not want to work with Samplitude (although it looks enough attractive), beacuse I use SONAR for few years.. Do you think, this mysterious .dll file in a new version could help me with these jerky faders? (and these not working buttons) in MCU PRO?
Best,
Adam


Samplitude Pro X has the best Mackie MCU and XT that I've tried.  You can pretty much program any button to any function.  However, some of the LED implementations are a bit wonky.  That could be because I haven't learned how to set the button up properly.  

Reaper's MCU drivers have been written by users.  One of them has a great feature set but the author doesn't own an XT so full implementation of that is lacking.
 
With the exception of the ProChannel, SONAR's MCU implementation is very useable but I wish it was more like Samplitude.

Dave Modisette ... rocks a Purrrfect Audio Studio Pro rig.

http://www.gatortraks.com 
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... And of course, the Facebook page. 
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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/06 10:23:47 (permalink)
Hi Adam and a "welcome to the forum and to using Sonar!  Both John and I joined about the same time in 2003 although he has a few more posts (about 23,800) and I feel humble.  Anyway, welcome to Cakewalk. 

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Re:SONAR X2 and MCU PRO 2013/06/06 16:54:11 (permalink)
Thank you 'Mod Bod' and 'FCCfirstclass' for your posts! In fact, Samplitude Pro X looks very nice and works good, I think. But I am more familiar with Sonar... I hope, Cakewalk will realease a proper .dll in near future. Thank you for warm reception in the Very Nice Forum!
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Adam
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