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Re:SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/01/07 09:08:40 (permalink)
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And it might be obvious but make sure you do both sets of measurements exactly in the same pattern and sequence. Even a few inches off will make a difference in the image and response curve.

 
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Re:SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/01/07 10:21:50 (permalink)
a really interesting debate, I'm due for move soon and have to setup a control room in slightly limiting conditions. I'm going to be treating the room the best I can but seriously now thinking about getting the arc system just to get the best out of the room at the end fom the info Danny's given.

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RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/01/07 10:55:05 (permalink)
Im another satisfied user of ARC. I have read those KVR and GS threads where  the detractors flame ARC as snake oil, interestingly enough, one protagonist is a room treatment (panels and traps) vendor.

I noticed a big difference in my mixes, but I am planning on adding some room treatment  as a final touch.

BTW make sure you ARC owners have the latest version downloaded and installed.

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RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/01/07 22:41:44 (permalink)
Thanks for the feedback ... I was planning on doing multiple measurements but was wondering if there was a preferred method to start off with.

Cheers,

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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/01/08 00:35:11 (permalink)
When making the measurements don't forget that many of them will be made in the "Sweet Sppot" which is where you will be seated during mixing and mastering, but you and your chair and the measurement mic can't be in the same space at the same time. Also you need to press the go button for each measurement so obviously you have to enter the sweet spot area often.

Actually its been such a long time since I've done some measurements I think it might be time to refresh myself about what goes on.

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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/07/20 20:22:33 (permalink)
Opening up an old discussion.  My brother found this formula. Any truth to this?  Any comments?  Thanks.  -Paul


R = (3 x SS) / RSM

 
Where "R" is the lowest freq that would be controlled by any EQ in any room
(any freq below that would have to be controlled by some other means).

 
SS = the speed of sound (i.e. 1155 ft per second).
 
and
 
RSM is the smallest dimension of your room.


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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/07/21 03:11:03 (permalink)
No idea Paul!

I wish ARC could be used in a surround setup - but then of course, Sonar would not be able to use it...grrr....



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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/07/21 03:49:24 (permalink)
I have krk vxt6 and the KRK ergo system. It comes with its own calibrated mic and uses the same principles.
Do a serious of tests, it then save a calibrated file and its magic works wonderfully. Can be used in subwoofer  or without. Anyone else using this ergo.
Very impressed.
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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/07/21 18:39:38 (permalink)
Have been sitting on the fence about getting ARC for a while now but went ahead and bought it on Sunday.
Just got it today and in my excitement, I did a quick test of 15 measurements and OMG, what a great tool!!!
I'm now on the official ARC fan list!


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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/07/25 10:02:57 (permalink)
has anyone found that the stereo image seems to narrow when using this plugin?

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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/08/08 20:22:52 (permalink)
This may be out in left field but does anyone know of a way that ARC can be loaded in a standalone host so I can send the main outs of Sonar into the standalone host of ARC and ARC into my sound device?
This way any sound off the internet, media players, etc. can run through ARC.
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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/08/08 21:15:22 (permalink)
OK, it's not elegant but I can do it with VSTHost.
Any other suggestions?


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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/08/09 00:22:57 (permalink)
So this thing is a VST plug?  How is it on CPU usage? 

Is it possible to run muliple instances of it on say.. different busses?
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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/12/09 13:43:37 (permalink)
just read thru this...

seems that most of the folks that actually own and use it, really like it, and believe it has helped their mixes.

and everyone else who doesn't own it, but voiced an opinion on it, had lots and lots of practical questions about it, but since they've never used it, don't offer much to the discussion.

interesting, to say the least.

any newcomers to this software care to chime in?

or


folks that have been using it for a year or more, how do you feel about it now?



are their cheaper alternatives that work just as well?
say, pink noise captured by your actual vocal mic, analysed wav file by something like waves paz or harbal, and a hardware parametric on the output of the soundcard, between the card and monitor amplifier?
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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/12/09 18:23:30 (permalink)
I don't think you can use a parametric to duplicate what ARC does, because I believe ARC also performs phase correction.  I'm not totally sure about that, since I don't know it's inner workings, but I do know that ARC has improved my mixes.

Before ARC, I'd take what I thought was a killer mix to a client, and it would sound wrong on their system. With ARC, my mixes sound like I expect them to on just about any system.

In a nutshell, ARC compensates for what your room is doing to the sound coming from your speakers. It truly lets you hear the music, and not what the room is doing to the music.
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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/12/09 22:52:30 (permalink)
A little but i just widen it back out a bit.And it is still the best plugin i have

 
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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/12/10 06:21:18 (permalink)
It's just a thing that sit on my master bus at all times. I've really forgotten all about it.

I've been running it since the day I installed it and did the first calibration and that was 18 months ago.

I don't see any reason why you can't run it on another bus going to some other amp and speakers but of course you'll have to calibrate it. Then agfain its been 18 months since I spent any time with ARC. It's sort of like my speakers they are just there and after I set them up I haven't had to make any changes.

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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/12/10 17:19:57 (permalink)
following up on this I spent about a day shooting the new studio room. I've got 4 GIK tri traps and some auralex wedges in the corners and need to get some stuff overhead treatment for the mix position. Working the ARC alongside acoustic treatment is an incredibly handy tool to have, it is a bit disconcerning at first after re-listening to finished projects but I have found that my mixes are becoming more consistant in playback on other systems. I kind of wish there was a plugin for itunes for listening back but even then I'm happy with what I've produced.

ON the vst plugin side I've not had any issues with it, when changing speakers i load up the impulse for that in about 2 clicks and I'm done and doesn't seem to be a resource hog on either my old or new PC


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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/12/10 17:44:12 (permalink)
If you're using itunes for wav or mp3 playback, try foobar2000.
There is a component available for foobar2000 that will host vst plugins so you can listen through ARC.


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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2010/12/11 04:41:22 (permalink)
sweet nice one for that

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Re: RE: SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2011/01/15 09:46:58 (permalink)
Update on using ARC (or any vst) in foobar2000 for mp3, wav, etc. playback.
I changed to this vst adapter for use with foobar2000 since the old one didn't work perfectly with the latest foobar2000 update and it's quite seamless.
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Re:SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2013/01/06 17:27:43 (permalink)
Hi, Guys,
 
is there anyone who can answer to 2 questions I have about ARC System 2?
 
1) Why do we have to turn off ARC when we're in the process of mixing down?
 
2) To simply listen to a song, will we have to disable ARC or is it ok to have it turned on all the time, except when mixing down?
 
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Re:SONAR & IK's ARC System/plugin 2014/01/21 10:00:47 (permalink)
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Hi, Guys,
 
is there anyone who can answer to 2 questions I have about ARC System 2?
 
1) Why do we have to turn off ARC when we're in the process of mixing down?
 
2) To simply listen to a song, will we have to disable ARC or is it ok to have it turned on all the time, except when mixing down?
 
Thanks!
 
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1.  By "mixing down" do you mean exporting the audio?   ARC makes adjustments to what you hear in your room.  When ARC is ON it helps you make mixing decisions on your Sonar tracks that you would not otherwise do, becuase your room is not letting you hear the audio as it really is.   So, before exporting the audio, you need to turn ARC2 OFF, and the resulting audio will be (hopefully) a mix that translates better in other rooms.   For example, if your room is low in bass, without ARC you might be mixing the bass to high.   With ARC on, you will not be mixing that bass so high.   Turn ARC2 OFF before export, and the resulting master file should not sound too bassy in other rooms.   Having ARC2 ON, is just for you in your room at that time.
 
2.  Keep ARC2 ON whenevr you are mixing, from the very start of your project to the moment you "export", then turn it OFF (or bypass it).   (There is another great thread where it shows how to put ARC on its own Bus:   see http://forum.cakewalk.com/gain-staging-and-ARC2-m2959895.aspx)
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