Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
 
An general unlocker for platinum is not really up to BandLab to give away since there are 3rd party license agreements in the platinum bundle that BandLab is not liable for. BandLab acquired the IP for Cakewalk products not the other stuff that was redistributed by Cakewalk, Inc as part of the platinum bundle.
 

I'm obviously missing something - AD2 and Melodyne would seem to be the main things that are no longer bundled, but IIRC they required separate activation from XLN and Celemony respectively and are not locked only to Platinum anyway, so what is the difference ? Existing customers paid and already have a licence to use them, new customers will not be getting them without paying. Overloud and some others have already issued jailbreak codes to unlock them from Sonar when the brown stuff first hit the fan and the remaining stuff that is locked into use only with Sonar is...........well locked into use only with Sonar, so again we already have that facility and the new bandlab customers will not be getting them, so........???

'Free'
To whom?
Anyone on earth with a 64 machine, or only those who have signed up and/or already have a legitimate cakewalk license?

... sorry wookiee! He said it, I dinint.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
 
An general unlocker for platinum is not really up to BandLab to give away since there are 3rd party license agreements in the platinum bundle that BandLab is not liable for. BandLab acquired the IP for Cakewalk products not the other stuff that was redistributed by Cakewalk, Inc as part of the platinum bundle.

Does it mean that after killing Splat activation servers, those who previously bought lifetime updates will loose access to some stuff like for example bifilter, when doing a Windows re-install?
 
Still not quite getting why not putting an offline unlock code or unlock app into old cakewalk accounts to make legacy deals fair for those who bought their software.

As said over and over- There will be no need for those unlock codes. What purpose would they serve now?
As said over and over the people who would have supplied them are gone. Why should Bandlab even spend 5 minutes worry about the handful of people who will be wanting to install Splat 10 years from now. 
 
The servers are still running and we have been told there are no plans to shut them down. 
We now have a new improved version of what was once Splat so why worry about installing the old version.
We have installers and codes for most of the 3rd party stuff. I'm not sure what would be missing? 
If you didn't get those from Overloud and? ( I forget) you might still want to do that. As I remember all they waned was a screenshot of your Splat "about" screen showing your serial number. 
 
The day they announced Bandlabs take over was the end of me worrying about the future of being able to continue with Cakewalk.
The only people who seem to be still worrying are either paranoid or haven't taken the time to read and follow what has happened. 

Cactus Music
As said over and over- There will be no need for those unlock codes. What purpose would they serve now?
As said over and over the people who would have supplied them are gone. Why should Bandlab even spend 5 minutes worry about the handful of people who will be wanting to install Splat 10 years from now. 
 
The servers are still running and we have been told there are no plans to shut them down. 
We now have a new improved version of what was once Splat so why worry about installing the old version.
We have installers and codes for most of the 3rd party stuff. I'm not sure what would be missing? 
If you didn't get those from Overloud and? ( I forget) you might still want to do that. As I remember all they waned was a screenshot of your Splat "about" screen showing your serial number. 
 
The day they announced Bandlabs take over was the end of me worrying about the future of being able to continue with Cakewalk.
The only people who seem to be still worrying are either paranoid or haven't taken the time to read and follow what has happened. 

 
So... should legacy Cakewalk software users move on now from this forum...?

Deleted so as to not cause anger to whom I addressed.

BenMMusTech
I've been doing some thinking about what has happened ober the last few months in regards to Sonar - still won't call the best DAW Cakewalk by Bandlab. And while I have the greatest respect to the guys at Bandlab for keeping Sonar alive...there is no way in hell I'd switch from my fully paid Sonar to the freebee. For one, Sonar has worked extremely well for me for years...this is because I always understood that it was almost...almost impossiable to make a Windows product work with every type of PC computer configuration - but from what I'm reading Bandlab have ironed out some of these problems. We'll done, but let's be honest...Meng would have access to some of the best coders going. The Asians, and I live in Oz so I don't have American delusions, but Asian coders are light years ahead of anyone else - except the Russians lol.

The main reason I won't touch the Sonar update is, it's not really free...some have asked how Bandlab make money...well they have some audio interfaces for sale...I should really sit down and do some proper research...I have a research degree and understand research methodology, but I believe their main source of income, like most tech companies without corporeal assets is data mining. Now I've got nothing to hide, and indeed buying software will go the way of the dodo...esp when AI can write software...this happening only yesterday it was reported the yanks I think and the military successfully got an AI to write some software code, but after reading about not being able to turn off their download assistant - yes it's been fixed, but who knows and indeed the terms of Bandlab's sharing site - even I think this is a bridge too far. There are performance issues involved too. These sorts of permanent connections can drain power at the most inopportune moments.

Indeed, if Sonar was truly free now - Meng and Co would offer the product without a tether like Blender. Blender is one of the first software only products that was failing and because individuals loved the software it became open source.

Indeed, if what was left of Cakewalk/Sonar as well as Meng and Co were really looking after it's old client base who purchased 1000s of dollars of software - they'd release that software to us free of constrictions and free of the need to authorize said software. Even if Bandlab gave us a time frame to download and back up the software without restrictions and then wiped their hands...I'd be happy with that.

So how about it Bandlab?

Peace and Love

There's two major flaws in your argument:
 
1. You assume that the BandLab website & Cakewalk are the only revenue stream. Do some research (heck, even read some of the other posts here) and you'll realise this isn't the case. Meng has other companies that fund the Cakewalk & BandLab ventures. And in any case, BandLab has still to put all the added Cakewalk extras on sale (z3ta 2, Rapture Pro, ProChannels etc) to add to the income.
 
2. The EU's new GDPR regulations affect anyone who runs a global web-based service, regardless of where they are based - unless of course, they can explicitly exclude EU citizens (which of course BandLab doesn't). BandLab are pretty clear they don't mine and or/share your information with anyone, and given the strictness of the new regulations I seriously doubt they're doing it on the sly.
 
M.

#1 WHAT personal data? Your email address? Wow?
#2 Bandlab does NOT have to give us ANYTHING. Why is it so hard for some to understand that? They could have just gone on their merry way with what they are doing. Jeeeezzzzz!
 

stratman70
#1 WHAT personal data? Your email address? Wow?
#2 Bandlab does NOT have to give us ANYTHING. Why is it so hard for some to understand that? They could have just gone on their merry way with what they are doing. Jeeeezzzzz!
 

This is the last word I am going to say on the matter...if you open up your computer via an always on download assistant...any data on your computer will be accessible. So not just your email...anything you do on said computer can be mined. But why I'm being attacked is beyond me, because if you read both my responses to this post - then you would know that I said this was between Bandlab and new Sonar users via the terms of conditions. I DON'T have a problem with this, although we're heading to a situation because of Facebook this sort of data mining will have to be included in the TOS.

Again...I get it, Bandlab need to make money, and to say naively that even only your email address isn't worth buying the shell asset of Sonar, which was probably brought at a bargin basement price, which could then be flipped via the data you could mine...from let's say a million new users (estimate I've no idea)...well that's naive. Image what you could make, if say you had access to those million users and a months worth of clicks? It would have to be quite a lot if you look at data mining and digital advertising streams...and this makes sense, because it's the only way a company with seemingly no corporeal assets could give away Sonar for free.

Again, to the guys a Bandlab...I mean no disrespect, but I do believe we have a right to discuss this. I've said a number of times that I understand what the situation is and that we still live in a capitalist system, and so Bandlab need to make money - I was just trying to make the point, that there are those of us that don't need your Sonar update at this stage because we're professionals and for the most part Sonar was a mature product that worked because we brought computers that were designed for audio - so the issues that plagued users in the past were because of too many PC hardware configurations. Meaning that until Windows breaks the last official paid Sonar version...we're happy because it's about making music and not the continuous update cycle. We just want our keys, so we can be on our merry way. I've downloaded and have my many thousands of dollars Cakewalk Software products...now like others, we would like the keys to those products for peace of mind.

And to all the fascists who don't seem to read my posts properly, and accuse me of being ungrateful...get a grip and read my posts properly. I haven't attacked the new Sonar, I haven't attacked Bandlab or Meng, I haven't even attacked their business model...I've simply stated that the product isn't for me, which isn't even about data mining...its about creativity. I mean, why would I bother upgrading my working DAW, where it's possible I would have to spend a day faffing about to get all my previous bits and pieces to work in a new Sonar which has no benefits for me. Then on top of that, because Sonar in the background could be used as a backdoor into my machine...performance is everything to me. Again, it's fine if you make the music of children, which is the current paradigm...but most of my compositions have over 50 tracks of 64bit fp audio at 48khz and sometimes 96khz...then there are the 20 odd busses and aux tracks...I can freeze ordinary tracks...i can even print the aux tracks, but it's easier to have these tracks free. I also like to mix and master at the same time. Any background processes that Sonar maybe conducting could create performance headaches. Again these are the reasons I don't need this new Sonar product. But all of us who own Sonar proper, I suspect would like our keys. I don't even need the bits that came with Sonar, except in reality the adaptive limiter and Addictive Drums and some of the legacy stuff for old works. The adaptive limiter because even though I have the better L16 from Wave's, Wave's in their stupidity keep the bit depth switched on...i create 64 bit FP masters.

Anyway, again sorry to Meng and Bandlab if I've caused offense.

Ben
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BenMMusTech
This is the last word I am going to say on the matter...

Guess not but that is OK.
 

BenMMusTech
if you open up your computer via an always on download assistant...any data on your computer will be accessible.

This may or may not be true but has nothing to do with how BandLab Assistant works. BA does not have to be running all the time. The only time BA is needed is CbB activation. Not only can BA be shut down on demand or prevented from running on start up, there is no requirement to have the PC attached to the internet once CbB is activated.
 
 

BenMMusTech
 I'm being attacked is beyond me, because if you read both my responses to this post - then you would know that I said this was between Bandlab and new Sonar users via the terms of conditions.

My post is not a personal attack, just a few corrections regarding errors in your posts. In short, BandLab requires no more information about a user than Cakewalk did. BandLab Assistant is no more intrusive than Cakewalk Command Center.
 

BenMMusTech
Bandlab need to make money, and to say naively that even only your email address isn't worth buying the shell asset of Sonar, which was probably brought at a bargin basement price, which could then be flipped via the data you could mine...from let's say a million new users (estimate I've no idea)...well that's naive. Image what you could make, if say you had access to those million users and a months worth of clicks? It would have to be quite a lot if you look at data mining and digital advertising streams...and this makes sense, because it's the only way a company with seemingly no corporeal assets could give away Sonar for free.

Aside from the observation that BandLab is a for profit company, the rest of this is speculation. Nothing the company has said or done supports this speculation. Not to say one does not have a right to speculate but without any facts to back up it up, this is not a particularly useful exercise.

John T

BenMMusTech

This is the last word I am going to say on the matter...if you open up your computer via an always on download assistant...any data on your computer will be accessible. So not just your email...anything you do on said computer can be mined.

I dunno, I don't have a dog in this fight. Download this stuff or don't, I don't care. But the above is straight up nonsense.

Yes, that is pretty much it in a nutshell. The part that bothers me is when a user is factually wrong.

BenMMusTech
 
after 32 years of being in music, I don't have many peers anymore, and most people would just get in my way  

 

BenMMusTech
 
I have a research degree and understand research methodology
 

Maybe you should add that to your sig, it might help to impress people, because as it stands you don't seem to be doing to well