BenMMusTech
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/05 08:46:35
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BenMMusTech
after 32 years of being in music, I don't have many peers anymore, and most people would just get in my way
BenMMusTech
I have a research degree and understand research methodology
Maybe you should add that to your sig, it might help to impress people, because as it stands you don't seem to be doing to well
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adrian.crossan
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/05 10:58:44
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sharke
The idea that a download assistant can access any data on your computer is absolute unadulterated poppycock and folderol. If that were the case then any app that connects to the internet could do the same, including the browser you use to access the internet. When you use a browser to download something, are you paranoid about it accessing your emails and personal files as well? I'm guessing not, otherwise you would have never downloaded anything, ever.
Including any Trojans.
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/05 13:00:35
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There’s an expression about letting people think you’re a fool, rather than opening your mouth and confirming it.
Seems that some people go to great lengths to prove the expression true, even in the written word
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/05 14:14:45
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mudgel
There’s an expression about letting people think you’re a fool, rather than opening your mouth and confirming it.
Seems that some people go to great lengths to prove the expression true, even in the written word
Or...to pitch their soundcloud upload. Kinda of psychological mumbo jumbo using a negative vibe to get a link click. Just my 2 cents worth. Back on topic, any way they decide to deliver Cakewalk by BandLab, free or even paid the value of what the person gets is worth the few requirements or investment if you really want it or need it. To come to this forum with these complaints as if it should be debated and picked apart is silly and totally irrelevant. If you don't like the deal move on and don't take it. Starting a conversation on your own speculation and false assumptions will not win your argument and further your self perceived status with those who know otherwise altough it does create some entertaining banter at this point it really is trolling in my opinion.
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/05 15:00:52
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Poor Ben. The crux of what he is saying is very much accurate, which is why any device with sensitive information is significantly restricted on connections and types. That said, there are several layers to its complexity...
Marketing - many entities collect "because they can" (eg. Facebook, Google, et al.) to either market directly or sell that information to others (retailers, ads retailers have purchased, etc.)
Nefarious users - these guys often do not collect the data themselves, since they are easily tracked by doing so, so often resort to either being a customer of the miners, or outright hacking them (highest risk, since they also go after machines holding sensitive information). Cell phones are actually a much higher (common) risk, since they do not contain the same security controls as a desktop, and have GPS. Once you have authorized a mobile app permissions, it can do everything you let it (even mine when you charge your phone via a USB cable).
Anyway... with all that said, it really boils down to risk and understanding it properly. The most common risk is identity theft, so NEVER post/submit the items needed to apply for credit (DOB, mother's maiden name, SSN, etc.) to anyone or anywhere you cannot verify. If you feel you are at risk from this, you can lock your credit (for periods of 90 days, easily renewed), which requires all creditors to verify YOU before they can give you any credit whatsoever. Realize what data you have submitted over time to "where" and that it is a permanent record... if you have submitted enough information over time to be a victim of identity theft, consider locking your credit (and renewing that lock religiously... put it on your calendar).
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Euthymia
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/05 15:08:42
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"Since I don't understand their business model, it follows that it must be based on unethical and possibly illegal practices and will soon fail. It then follows that their sense of fair play should compel them to use their programming resources to come up with an illegal keygen crack to ensure I will forever be able to use an earlier version of their product that I licensed from its previous owner."
It's a good thing I have Cakewalk, 'cause I sure don't have Logic.
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emeraldsoul
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/05 15:46:29
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Team Green
Brilliant! Absolutely Brilliant! It will now become The Industry Standard!
Until the cloud parts
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dubdisciple
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/05 18:43:50
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Toddskins
I give a welfare recipient free food, but the insolent person says, "It's not free. I had to work for it by picking up the food, exerting energy to move it into my mouth, and then I had to chew it! So who are you fooling?"
Unbelievable how people think.
Bad analogy. Total straw man argument and not equivalent to what was said. Not saying I necessarily agree with what was said, but taking a swipe at people on welfare who have nothing to do with this conversation is not helping. His argument was the possibility that Bandlab ( like many companies offering free products) as actually data mining and his focus was clearly on the authorization part being a hug even part of such a process. The “work for it” tangent was just that, a minor piece of a bigger point Although I put nothing past anyone, the data mining theory seems unlikely to me. 1) unlike Facebook that requires real name, bandlab’s requirements are very skimpy. You can easily provide any name and email. 2) DAWs don’t require much user data. Are they going to sell the fact you prefer composing in f# minor at a 138 tempo to companies? 3) a free mobile app is cheaper to produce maintain and create intrusive data gathering requirements
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michael diemer
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/05 18:53:03
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As far as download assistants are concerned, they are totally benign. I have one for Cinematic Strings, Native Instruments, Vienna Instruments, etc. They just make the download process easier, and are a service to the software user.
As for Bandlab's ultimate intentions, we shall have to wait and see. But everything they have done so far only gives me confidence that they are also benign.
Perhaps we are becoming a bit too paranoid these days. There still are good people, good companies, and good software.
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BenMMusTech
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/06 04:47:52
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CTStump
mudgel
There’s an expression about letting people think you’re a fool, rather than opening your mouth and confirming it.
Seems that some people go to great lengths to prove the expression true, even in the written word
Or...to pitch their soundcloud upload. Kinda of psychological mumbo jumbo using a negative vibe to get a link click.
Just my 2 cents
Sorry, I have to rebut this...I posted a link to my latest work because I was trying to make a point about how useless Bandlabs social media aspect was for me. I don't want or need to collaborate. Furthermore, I'm a pure artist - in that I don't create for anything, recognition money or anything. I don't care if no one listened to link, although if you did...ypu'd realize that I have a particular way of working that might be useful to others. I'm like Van Gogh, in that like Van Gogh created art with the knowledge that his paintings were universally derided...but he didn't care because of the fire within.
Look as I said in one of my posts yesterday, I hadn't slept well for a few days, and I live in the flow state...almost constantly - ideas flow like mana from heaven. And for those who don't understand what the flow state is, it's where time dilutes and if you're working on something, a whole day can go and you don't notice where it went. The Buddhists would call this deep meditation, Carlos Castanada would call it the nagul etc. Basically because my filter was down due to a lack of sleep, an idea hit...and I went with it. Am I right or am I wrong, well a couple of you believe it's a possibility. But the real reason for post, even if it was off topic...was our keys. Where are our keys...i actually then realized, that until all the bankruptcy proceedings had been taken care of...Gibson might not be able to give us our keys.
Anyway mea culpa...i hope that clears things up.
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danbottomburp
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/06 07:44:17
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Some people place too much trust in these company’s ,for example ,a gaming server provider called ESEA injected a bitcoin miner within their csgo game server browser .
Now just any little company but the number 1 choice of pro NA players ,the unbelievable thing is ,nothing happened when ESEA were found out ,in fact they are still going strong today and it’s still the choice of he pro players even after all that shady business of using their customers to mine bitcoin WITHOUT ASKNG
internet browsers are constantly collecting your data ,collating the info and using it to send you ads and who know what else
Many many game clients for example collect info on the games you play ,the settings used and the times the said games are played ,for how long etc etc
The may or may not be written in the tos somewhere but many times it isn’t
Nvidia are another company who install all kinds of telemetry programs without shouting about it ,these can be disabled but not anywhere in the driver settings ,you have to go much deeper
Bandlab may well be doing something similar ,when they first released the assistant there was no option to disable it as a startup entry ,they never even mentioned that it was starting up with your pc ,it was only when complaints started happening that an option appeared
It’s basic in every single program I use to have an option to decline it being a startup program ,that to me was dodgy ,and not being in control of exactly where files get installed is another reason I don’t like it
Thinking or rather trusting these companies who give you free products to not collect your data or in some way get some kind of payback for giving your a free product is stupid and naive
If a product is free ,then you’re the product ,simple as that
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/06 07:49:07
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My $.0.02... First, I look at the over $900 I've spent trying to find a DAW to replace my beloved SONAR, and not becoming really crazy with any of them. Then I look at this "free" deal to continue on with the DAW I know most. Like many other SONAR people that go way back, I have a tendency to distruss the altruism exhibited by this new free "SONAR for the masses" offer. Since I was never a socialist/communist I have to wonder what the business model that had come into effect really is. BandLab is a "for profit company" and, therefore, expects to make a profit on this SONAR move. Hiring coders and managers (i.e., some of the critical Cakewalk staff) adds to personnel costs. This means that BandLab bought into this with relatively high stakes. On the other hand, I'm a dreamer, and I want to think that, whatever model Meng has in mind, this is really a utopian move for SONAR. I don't mind paying for services, access to material, or use of the most recent upgrades. But, I need to know how much of the apparent altruism is generated. So, I would appreciate knowing that this new Cakewalk offer isn't just another racket aimed at exploiting my personal buying habits and passing the information to more scrupulous agents.
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: SOS Reports 'Cakewalk' is free
2018/05/06 12:29:40
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☄ Helpfulby karhide 2018/05/06 12:55:53
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Bandlab may well be doing something similar ,when they first released the assistant there was no option to disable it as a startup entry ,they never even mentioned that it was starting up with your pc ,it was only when complaints started happening that an option appeared
It’s basic in every single program I use to have an option to decline it being a startup program ,that to me was dodgy ,and not being in control of exactly where files get installed is another reason I don’t like it
BandLab assistant existed in beta much before BandLab acquired Cakewalk. It was a simple launcher for BandLab web and the load on startup option enabled. When we did the first early access version of CbB we leveraged this version of BA as a mechanism to install CbB instead of Command Center. The early access version was released to get CbB out as quickly as possible to customers who wanted it since there was no official way to get SONAR anymore. So there was limited testing for the installer. The startup option was fixed along with a many other bugs in a few days after release. It was simply an oversight that was corrected in response to user feedback and not an intent do anything more sinister like you suggest. BA in fact is a simple app that just facilitates easy access to the users BandLab account, loops and apps. It has exactly the same function as Command Center and its not essential to have it running all the time. In case you are unfamiliar with how prior SONAR releases were done we always had an early access release to find and fix problems before release to the general audience. Its not uncommon to have bugs in that release that are fixed prior to the main release.
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