Myriad_Rocker
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SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
I have multiple units that have the SPDIF outputs but my Delta 1010 only has one SPDIF input. Is there a unit that I could get that would have multiple SPDIF inputs and one or two SPDIF outputs? Thanks!
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2005/11/13 13:31:26
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pdarg
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2005/11/13 14:16:48
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A cheap approach is to buy an RCA switcher from Radio shack. I tried that approach, and it did not seem to impact the sound quality. Cheap = about $20
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2005/11/13 15:42:04
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ORIGINAL: Myriad_Rocker I have multiple units that have the SPDIF outputs but my Delta 1010 only has one SPDIF input. Is there a unit that I could get that would have multiple SPDIF inputs and one or two SPDIF outputs? Thanks! I doesn't work like that. You would need a digital mixer and some way to get sample rate clock to all the devices. Since SPDIF is only one direction there is not way to have the devcies clock from an output, they can only get clock from an input. So you would either need word clock cables to all the devices or both SPDIF in and out to all devices. It would just be a big mess. That is why you don't see stuff with more then one SPDIF input. Unlike data interfaces that are bi-directional all digital audio interfaces are single direction only so there is no way to make a hub for them. You could make a distribution box to have one SPDIF output copy to more then one input because the output has the clock signal but you can't go the other way because then you have the more then one clock problem and they all get out of sync and start clicking and poping.
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2005/11/13 16:13:24
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I've a feeling the M1000 mentioned is the only purely s/pdif mixer there is! Seems odd I know, but as mentioned, you cannot directly mix digital audio. The M1000 works by sample-rate converting each input to one common clock. Some quality loss can be caused by SRC, but if I recall correctly, the SoS review was very positive. If the purpose is to make switching between sources easy (only one used at a time), then some kind of "patchbay" will do it. The idea of using a "stereo selector box" ought to work. As for multiple outputs from one, it should not be possible to drive more than one input from a single output, since coax s/pdif is designed to work into a 75ohm impedance. Splitting to two inputs makes the total impedance 37.5ohm. That said, it's quite possible sufficient signal level might still reach the inputs, but it can't be trusted to work reliably. Some sort of "buffering" circuit is needed to produce true seperate outputs. If one of your external devices has an Optical input, then maybe something like the M-audio Co3 or Behringer SRC2496 should work as they have both RCA, AES/EBU and Optical outputs working off one of the optical, AES/EBU or RCA inputs. It's actually possible to connect AES/EBU to RCA s/pdif with the right cable. You could feed three items with these units. The above is a bit expensive, but I for one don't know of anything simpler, except using the previously mentioned stereo selector box trick.
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Myriad_Rocker
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2005/11/13 16:31:18
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I don't know if this makes any difference but I won't be using more than one unit at a time.
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2005/11/13 17:01:54
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I have two Roland M-1000 mixers and for what you have described they work great just do not use it for an audio interface. The drivers SUCK! They have crashed every PC I have tried them on and I have heard they same stories from other M-1000 owners. I'm not sure if Roland is still making them. What is cool about the M-1000 is that each one of the 4 inputs can sample rate convert to the selected sample rate output.
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2005/11/13 17:36:08
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Myriad_Rocker
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2005/11/13 17:36:31
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ORIGINAL: pdarg A cheap approach is to buy an RCA switcher from Radio shack. I tried that approach, and it did not seem to impact the sound quality. Cheap = about $20 You would think it would degrade the digital signal? Is there a difference in an RCA cable and an SPDIF cable?
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LaptopPop
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2005/11/13 17:37:58
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No, that's the nice thing about digital -- a little bit of signal degradation does not affect the sound in the slightest because the original bits are reconstructed at the receiving end. Any video switch should work just fine. -lee-
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Myriad_Rocker
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2005/11/13 17:44:36
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ORIGINAL: LaptopPop No, that's the nice thing about digital -- a little bit of signal degradation does not affect the sound in the slightest because the original bits are reconstructed at the receiving end. Any video switch should work just fine. -lee- Thanks very much.
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EStatic
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2007/12/08 10:24:07
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frank, question for you....i want to pick up the Behringer SRC2496 ULTRAMATCH PRO Converter. heard it's killer. problem i don't have a firewire interface. i currently run the maudio omnistudio. what would you recommend? and how would set it up?
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/08 10:48:17
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/08 11:28:37
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This probably isn't what you need, but its cool none the less...  TosLink patch bay configurable as ADAT or SPDIF... HERE
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/08 13:24:49
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An affordable optical patchbay (don't let the Hosa name put you off - it's actually very good quality). Hosa MFO-363B The Radio Shack switch works great, too.
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/08 14:50:52
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I use a switch like this for multiple feeds of Component Video - works fine. Haven't tried it for spdif connections, but since the video inputs on it are 75Ohm, should prbably work ok. Trick is to make sure that the signal from one device really gets "teurned off" as far as the receiver is concerned or it won't clock, and therefore won't make sound.
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The Maillard Reaction
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/08 17:16:17
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I thought SPDIF was 75Ω as well... which is why I thought a video switcher was such a cool lo-budget solution. I could easily be very wrong about the SPDIF termination ratings... I have never worked with SPDIF. best, mike
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/08 17:48:06
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I read somwhere that a guy was using a regular patchbay dedicated specifically to digital (you cant use analog and digital on the same bay) He had an old patchbay lying around and just got a few RCA to 1/4 inch adapters. Then used standard patch cables to route everything.
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/08 19:00:08
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I just want to know how you type "Ω" into a post.
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The Maillard Reaction
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/08 22:09:18
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'I just want to know how you type "Ω" into a post." I've got a .txt file I keep handy with my favorite unicode symbols... I cut and paste. :-)
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/09 00:57:02
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Keep an eye out for a M-Audio Digipatch. I have one and think it's pretty cool. They are discontinued, so it may take a while to find one. Harmony Central - Digipatch
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/09 05:55:19
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I use a Roland M1000, as a hardware synth/sampler submixer, and I have to say it works pefectly for my needs. I use all four SPDIF inputs and the analogue input and then pass the SPDIF output into a Tascam FW1082. Perfect ! I bought it from Wigworld (see the second poster on this thread) - thanks, mate, it was worth every penny !! k
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/09 09:02:18
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The Maillard Reaction
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/09 10:23:22
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from the link provided by newdreamstudio: from WIKIpedia: "S/PDIF was developed from a standard used in the professional audio field, known as AES/EBU which is commonly used to interconnect professional audio equipment. S/PDIF remained identical at the protocol level, but changed the physical connectors from XLR to either electrical coaxial cable (with RCA jacks) or optical fibre (TOSLINK, i.e., EIAJ Optical), both of which cost less and are easier to use. The cable was also changed from 110 Ω balanced twisted pair to the already far more common (and therefore compatible and inexpensive) 75 Ω coaxial cable, using RCA jacks instead of the BNC connector which is common in commercial applications. S/PDIF is, for all intents and purposes, a consumer version of the AES/EBU format." cool my memory about 75Ω was not so far off. best, mike
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/10 13:14:36
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ORIGINAL: bitflipper I just want to know how you type "Ω" into a post. Hold down the ALT key while you type 234 on the numeric keypad.
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ohhey
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RE: SPDIF Hubs...do they exist?
2007/12/10 14:05:54
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ORIGINAL: wishus ORIGINAL: bitflipper I just want to know how you type "Ω" into a post. Hold down the ALT key while you type 234 on the numeric keypad. That's the quick and easy way if you remember all the ascii number for the stuff that's not on the keyboard. In Micosoft Word you can do insert symbol and copy it to the clipboard also. Note: By use the Alt-[number from 10key pad] method you can make some VERY secure passwords. Who whould think you would use something that's not even on the keyboard !  Only problem is the numbers at top don't work so it you are on a laptop without a 10 key pad it can be hard to enter the number. You have to enable 10key mode on the letters and do it that way. But on a desktop it's easy.
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