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2015/06/05 11:38:17 (permalink)

SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16

Just picked up an Behringer X32 and S16 box and interested in using this setup for live recording.
 
Anyone out there using this combo and what do I need to look out for as far as setup? 
 
I am going to dive into it this weekend a bit deeper to get used to the unit first.

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/05 17:06:46 (permalink)
I use it sometimes at the music school I work at. Works really well. Latency doesn't get super-low with my laptop but that isn't much of an issue considering all the monitor options available. We set it up to have 16 "live" channels and 16 computer channels (mostly for monitor mixes). I'm not sure you can record more than 16 channels simultaneously, which might be an issue for live.

You can also record a stereo mix directly to a USB stick for quick and dirty stuff. Oh and update to the latest firmware, they've been pretty cool about adding stuff since the release and there's no telling how long it sat on the shelf.
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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/08 08:23:49 (permalink)
the firmware was 2 versions behind. That was one of the first things I did was update the firmware. I spent 9 hours watching videos on setup and use on Saturday. One of the only times I have ever been overwhelmed by a piece of gear in my life. It was a good overwhelm because I realized the possibilities of this setup! I am totally stoked about it and am going to try to get the recording setup this week. I have some lightpipe ADA8000 units I am going to try and use with the S16. I already see another S16 coming in the near future.
 
Haven't gotten it totally setup in SONAR yet, but it should be soon. I am using my PC now, but plan on ultimately using the laptop with SONAR. 

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/08 08:34:04 (permalink)
I use this setup and it works great with very clear records for live bands! Let me know if you have any questions.



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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/08 08:52:36 (permalink)
Side comment about the X-Touch which still isn't released... I wrote to Behringer and got a response...

Alex we assure you the X-Touch is not an urban myth. It has undergone a number of enhancements since it's initial unveiling in 2014 and we have spent a considerable amount of time and effort into making it work seamlessly with the X32/X AIR mixer families :) We will be making an official announcement when these controllers have started shipping from the factory. Thank you for your patience.
 
 
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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/08 10:54:23 (permalink)
Anyone using the S16 with SONAR too?

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/09 19:37:25 (permalink)
Don't have lot's of time for lengthy explanation right now, but I use X-32 Rack, S16 and the Dante interface instead of USB. I feel that the Dante is less flaky, better latency performance, and less prone to problems competing with my metric crap-ton of other USB devices. It is cool to put the S16 in the other room with drums and such while having the main unit for inputs in the control room. Also cool to take whatever combo to live recording events.
 
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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/09 20:26:31 (permalink)
I'm a huge x32 fan, have done some live mixing on them, and intend to add one to my mobile mixing rig at some point (the 1U Core version). Brilliant bit of tech.

No idea about using it with Sonar, but posting to remind myself to check in on the thread.

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/12 12:49:16 (permalink)
I have an X32 and an S16 that I use regularly as the central part of my studio with X3.  I have also done remote recordings using the venue's X32 with a laptop that has my old Sonar 8.5. Everything works well.
 
The X32's flexibility while recording is what makes me content with my decision. Depending on the required number of input tracks, I can have untouched inputs right off the preamps and processed inputs (via the P16 bus) both recorded. Headphone mixes can have effects (reverb, compression) generated within the X32 with no concern about the latency settings of SONAR.
 
Moreover, I have three sets of speakers that are controlled from the X32, so the monitor controller function that would be separately necessary on a conventional interface is fully integrated and flexible.  I have an Audio-Technica condenser mic on the talkback channel.  I only use the Mackie Control features for quickly getting rough levels on captures before drawing volume automation.  In general I find that doing track volume automation with a mouse is fine with me once I've taken full advantage of the simultaneous changes and experimentation that's possible with a handful of 8 sliders to get the mix started in the right direction.
 
i would absolutely love to have the ability to toggle between track and bus fader control, but that doesn't work with the Mackie Control implementation in the X32.  I would also love to have the same 32-fader bi-directional, plus scribble strip support that the Reaper OSC functions have enabled for the X32.  Sigh, perhaps someday...

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/14 16:04:37 (permalink)
Thanks for the replies everyone!
 
Gary, can you reply in my other post about setting up the X32 as a controller? I am working that angle now. I have the DAW going through and recording as expected. It was a rough start, but after you finally realize the vas routing ability of this  X32, it became a lot clearer and seems to be quite simple for mixing and recording.
 
I am looking for a way now to automate the faders and FX to see if I can actually use it for live shows with midi devices and such.
 
I feel sorry for my UFX.  ;)

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/15 08:29:56 (permalink)
I have an X32 Producer and X32 Rack and love them for live work. I run them both with Sonar via USB and they are pretty solid.
 
For studio work I am not a huge fan, but then the X32 was not designed with this in mind.. Latency is not great, and as a controller I find the layout and function assignments on the Producer awkward.
 
Brilliant piece of kit for live gigs though:)

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/17 07:28:45 (permalink)
X32 Producer + X32 Rack + S16 and love them, too ... use them mostly for live gigs - brilliant with the P16 monitoring stuff + in-ears BTW ...
 
did some "live" recordings of a brass orchestra plus rock band just using the X32 + and my win8 tablet ... worked like a charm ...
 
wouldn't use it in the studio, though, as it only goes up to 48 kHz ... and not a great DAW controller, either ... in ft very limited / unsatisfactory Mackie control only last time I checked but supposedly there were some improvements with the latest firmware (which I have not tried as I have better controllers around) ...

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/17 07:53:03 (permalink)
Guitarmech111
 
I feel sorry for my UFX.  ;)




You shouldn't. I use both the X32 and UFX and for my money the UFX is far superior in the studio. Having both ticks all the boxes:)

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/18 06:40:09 (permalink)
yeah, the sample rate is a kicker for sure. The Midas Board has the upgraded preamps with the higher sample rate and price tag. 
 
No plan to sell the UFX yet. :)

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/18 06:45:28 (permalink)
The X32 has great architecture and sound IMO, BUT the desk is flimsy and you need to be very careful how you handle it unless you want busted faders and knobs. Get a decent flight case if you're going to travel much with it. Vacuum it after every gig.
 
There are plenty of them out in my area, but few of them last in the hands of young engineers.
 
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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2015/06/18 10:03:03 (permalink)
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Gary, can you reply in my other post about setting up the X32 as a controller? 



I'm not sure about where your 'other post' is, and I don't exactly know what you're asking.  I'll start with the generic basics, and then you can point me to where your interest actually is: 
 
Depending on how the ASIO driver sees the X_UF Firewire or USB interface, that will be one of the MIDI interfaces shown in the SONAR menus under the Preferences >> Control Surfaces. Choose it, select Mackie Control, push the Remote button on the X32, and it should spring to life.
 
The assignable controls on the X32 can be coordinated with the little Mackie utility that's included with SONAR. I put the jog wheel on one of the rotary controls, and the transport controls on some buttons. I also put the red 'overs' reset on a button. I mostly use the job wheel and reset function buttons, and of course the volume fader function to get a mix into initial balance.  I've had no interest in getting plugins or the ProChannel to work from any control surface other than a touch screen.
 

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2016/02/26 10:36:30 (permalink)
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...Gary, can you reply in my other post about setting up the X32 as a controller? ...



I am reviving this old thread to clean up loose ends because of yesterday's breakthrough.
 
I finally was able to get bus control working in SONAR via my X32.  The Mackie Control protocol uses MIDI Notes to do practically everything.  Switching between Main, Track, and Bus is accomplished with MIDI Notes 81,76, and 80, respectively.
 
Once I found that the X32 'Setup' screen had to have 'MIDI Control Interface' enabled on the 'Remote' tab, then the user Assign controls work as they should, and MIDI Notes (and MIDI CC) can be sent via buttons or encoders.  This is a tremendous help to my workflow plans, and I hope others who have been stuck with Track-Only function can benefit from this tidbit.  

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2016/02/26 11:01:12 (permalink)
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yeah, the sample rate is a kicker for sure. The Midas Board has the upgraded preamps with the higher sample rate and price tag. 
 
No plan to sell the UFX yet. :)


I'd been looking at the Midas board but while it has the better preamps 96khz recording has still not been implemented. That's why I dropped it off my shopping list.

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2016/02/26 12:56:14 (permalink)
Yes, I find it strange that not only the X32/M32 family hasn't gotten the 96kHz bump, but most of the competitors' products announced since then in the $3k to $5K range are also 'limited' to 48kHz.
 
I'd love to get beyond speculation and understand the engineering or marketing issues that make it so.
 
 

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2016/02/26 13:56:21 (permalink)
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Yes, I find it strange that not only the X32/M32 family hasn't gotten the 96kHz bump, but most of the competitors' products announced since then in the $3k to $5K range are also 'limited' to 48kHz.
 
I'd love to get beyond speculation and understand the engineering or marketing issues that make it so.




I've also been waiting for at least 88.2 kHz to show up on X32/M32.  All I've got is speculation, but I'd speculate that, when the rubber hit the road, their CPU didn't have the beef to clock everything through at that speed and still work reliably...without a hardware change.

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2017/09/01 19:21:40 (permalink)
Been using the x32 at foh with an s16 onstage all summer and its working great for live sound. But hit a snag trying to record inputs with the x-usb v4.11 driver and Sonar Platinum on Win10.  Maybe I'm missing something but I'm only seeing local inputs on asio but not the s16 ones.  And cannot select any outputs for recording at all.  Going to try sending the S16 inputs to some unused bus/xlr outs and physically plugging some xlr patch cables from the outs to some unused local inputs as a work around.
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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2017/09/01 19:48:49 (permalink)
You can only use one ASIO device at a time. So unselect the local device, Close SONAR, reopen and then you should be able to choose the x32.
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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2017/09/01 21:11:34 (permalink)
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Been using the x32 at foh with an s16 onstage all summer and its working great for live sound. But hit a snag trying to record inputs with the x-usb v4.11 driver and Sonar Platinum on Win10.  Maybe I'm missing something but I'm only seeing local inputs on asio but not the s16 ones.  And cannot select any outputs for recording at all.  Going to try sending the S16 inputs to some unused bus/xlr outs and physically plugging some xlr patch cables from the outs to some unused local inputs as a work around.


Check the routing matrix in the x32 again. Getting S16 I/O into Sonar has always worked fine for me. It's just a matter of assigning the S16 as 2 blocks of 8 inputs to your USB card in the X32

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2017/09/02 05:40:31 (permalink)
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Been using the x32 at foh with an s16 onstage all summer and its working great for live sound. But hit a snag trying to record inputs with the x-usb v4.11 driver and Sonar Platinum on Win10.  Maybe I'm missing something but I'm only seeing local inputs on asio but not the s16 ones.  And cannot select any outputs for recording at all.  Going to try sending the S16 inputs to some unused bus/xlr outs and physically plugging some xlr patch cables from the outs to some unused local inputs as a work around.



I suppose you have already checked this, but you do have to have the correct settings on the "PC Card" screen (on the X32 console).  The USB-attached device will only see what is enabled on that screen. 
And my next comment is even farther afield.  I do lots of live recording using X32 (up to 32 tracks with two S16 stage boxes, and up to 16 tracks using the XR18, which I just love).  I wouldn't dream of using a DAW for live recording, although I realize most people think that's pretty normal.  I am all about reliability and simplicity.  I track everything to Waves TracksLive and I assembled a special notebook computer that is only used for that.  It is a 2011-era Lenovo that is built like a tank. I put a SSD in it and got it to upgrade to Windows 10.  I use it for TracksLive and nothing else.  I absolutely never connect to the the 'net, so I don't have to worry about Windows updates hitting it, and I don't need an Anti-virus. 
 
That setup works perfectly every time.  I take the WAVs back to the studio and then feed them into SONAR.  I see no benefit whatsoever in farting around with a DAW on a live job, but that's probably a minority opinion.
 
I do expect we'll see higher sample rates in the next generation of product, but really, for live recording 44.1 x 24 bit is about as good as any live recording is going to sound anyway.  I'm not sure I'd go higher even if I could.  Before I got the Behringer setup, I used an Allen & Heath ICE16 recorder that could do 96 Khz on 8 channels.  I could never hear any real difference in a field recording.

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2017/09/02 12:36:31 (permalink)
 
I completely agree @cparmerlee with all of your points! 
 
The 'Card Out' tab on the 'Routing' screen is where you choose the S16 (AES50 A1-8, etc.) banks that should be seen by the computer.
 
I also use Waves Tracks Live for live recordings.  I've gone an extra step, and now use two concurrent laptops (one Lenovo, one MacBook Pro) connected via Dante to keep myself calm during live recordings. I've essentially made a decision that I'm more confident in the reliability of a single LAN switch/router box than I am in a single laptop.
 
Although I wish Behringer/Midas had offered an "interface mode" for the products that simply routed signals in and out at 96K sampling rate (no effects processing), lately everything I've done is at 48k for best/easiest compatibility with all the video work that seems to be the new normal of live events. 

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2017/09/02 17:58:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cparmerlee 2017/09/03 03:27:11
Slight tangent from the main topic, but have people seen this? Card coming soon that enables 32 channel recording to SD card right on the x32. Also still has the USB out to record to a DAW for redundancy.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43BCr-IXYM

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2017/09/03 03:09:26 (permalink)
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Slight tangent from the main topic, but have people seen this? Card coming soon that enables 32 channel recording to SD card right on the x32. Also still has the USB out to record to a DAW for redundancy.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43BCr-IXYM

That would be AWESOME.  I guess I would still need a TracksLive computer for my XR18 (which has no expansion slot).  But I would be all over that for my X32 Compact.
 
I don't see anything on the Behringer website about this.  Any idea when it is coming?  It seems to require a new firmware level.
 
On edit: the most detailed information is at the Behringer Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/BEHRINGER/
In particular, there is a post on August 29 at 10:00am that has lots of comments.  Notice the video shows recordings tracked in late July and they have just gone live with the video in late August.  It looks like the hardware is 100% done and the firmware looks essentially production-ready, but it is probably part of a larger firmware release.  They say the announcement is "soon".  My guess is we will see something by the end of September. 

There is one big downer for me.  They will be supporting SD-HC only, not SD-XC, which means the max card is 32GB -- under 2 hours for 32-channel recording at 24 bits.  They do provide 2 SD-HC slots and when the first card fills, they automatically start recording on the second.  But you have to piece this back together in the DAW.  This seems like a really crappy work-around for their inability to support SD-XC cards.  You can buy good 128 GB SD-XC cards for $40 now, which would track 32 channels for 7 hours.

 
How many of us have "split personalities" about the X32 line?  In the early days, Behringer stuff was strictly cheap Chinese knockoffs, and some of their stuff was super-unreliable and noisy.  So when they came out with the X32, many of us assumed that would be way too unreliable for any serious use.  But it really is good reliability, good sound, and extraordinary value for the price.  I would take the X32 over the Soundcraft SI series any day of the week.  That Soundcraft line is complete crap and the Behringer stuff has been outstanding.  Just about all the "mid range sound companies" in my area (meaning smaller than arena-sized) use X32 now.
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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2017/09/03 06:40:00 (permalink)
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Slight tangent from the main topic, but have people seen this? Card coming soon that enables 32 channel recording to SD card right on the x32. Also still has the USB out to record to a DAW for redundancy.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43BCr-IXYM




i'll get one of these !!!

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2017/09/03 16:24:42 (permalink)
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I don't see anything on the Behringer website about this.  Any idea when it is coming?  It seems to require a new firmware level.
 
 


Nothing on the official site, but they posted the video on their facebook, and have been answering questions in the thread below it. New firmware is coming with it. No release date or price yet, but the other cards go for around $400-$600 depending on specs.

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Re: SPLAT recording with Behringer X32 and S16 2017/09/03 16:31:57 (permalink)
We are gigging with the X32 and I use SONAR to capture the performances. It works very well and the sound is excellent! I liked it enough that I bought a second X32 and S16 for the studio.
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