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2017/08/09 16:16:59 (permalink)

SSD drive or hybrid as C drive

As the message says, which would people recommend as the best option for my system drive?
A lot of comments I've read say you don't really see much improvement in terms of performance with SSD's apart from quicker boot times so perhaps if that's the case a hybrid drive would do just as well.
 
One thing that bugs me about my drive is how noisey it sems to be although I'm not entirely sure if all the noise is related to my drive and may even be my outboard mixer (Behringer Eurorack UB802 Mixer) which is said to be quite noisey.
 
This is for a desktop by the way. I want something quiet, fast and cheap/ish
 
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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/09 16:44:19 (permalink)
If it's in the budget go SSD.

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/09 16:48:42 (permalink)
Hybrid might be OK for an OS and applications if that is all required although for samples and projects all the way.
 

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/09 16:48:55 (permalink)

Don't know if this qualifies as 'cheapish' but

Mushkin Enhanced ECO2 2.5" 1TB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MKNSSDEC1TB
on sale today at NewEgg for $249
I have these in 2 of my family's PCs and have had zero issues.
 
edit: just noticed that you're in the UK...

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/09 16:54:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dwardzala 2017/08/09 20:35:42
and no a hybrid does not work as well as SSD.
A hybrid is like adding a spoiler fin to your VW, you keep telling yourself it's faster but can't really prove it.
An SSD is like replacing your VW with V8 Muscle car - you have no doubt that it's faster and you wonder why the hell you kept the VW for as long as you did.

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/09 16:54:51 (permalink)
Both boot and program loading times are substantially faster on an SSD. No moving parts, so no noise. Anything on it will access quickly.

An SSHD typically has only 8GB of "SSD" which will primarily affect only the boot speed. The remainder is a traditional mechanical HDD (moving parts, slower access, more noise).

The above does imply better suitability of a drive (any will work), but the differences in characteristics.

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/09 17:03:02 (permalink)
The best solution for somebody is a NVME- SSD drive which essentially will work really fast and silent. Alternatively a SATA SSD however I think I would still like one mechanical drive for back-ups.
 

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/10 10:51:41 (permalink)
Thanks for the comments all, think I'll probably go for an SSD drive although the NVME drives look good I'm not sure my board has a spare slot for one but will have to take a peek as there isn't much price difference between a 500GB SSD and the same size NVME drive.
 
 
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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/10 19:47:32 (permalink)
SSD all the way!  The only downside to them is that it will make you hate any computers you have left running only HDD! 

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/10 20:54:20 (permalink)
Only downside of SSDs is failure. I have had two fail on me in five years. No warning, no symptoms, you just switch on one day and your drive has vanished - game over. Robust backup (think CrashPlan cloud-based real time sync) is essential to avoid data loss. That said I wouldn't switch back to mechanical from choice as SSD reliability continues to improve.

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/10 21:58:39 (permalink)
Memory platforms are improving. MLC and newer so-called 3d memory platforms are becoming the norm. Unfortunately just like SDRAM, memory can fail so this is why I would always make back-ups to another source. Even a low-capacity hybrid hard-drive if you want to improve the performance with fast Cache memory which is really important for fast mechanical drives.
 

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/10 22:49:01 (permalink)
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Only downside of SSDs is failure. I have had two fail on me in five years. No warning, no symptoms, you just switch on one day and your drive has vanished - game over. Robust backup (think CrashPlan cloud-based real time sync) is essential to avoid data loss. That said I wouldn't switch back to mechanical from choice as SSD reliability continues to improve.



Was either of those failed SSDs a Samsung?

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/10 22:55:01 (permalink)
I use Macrium Reflect 6 Free to make a fresh image of my 250GB SSD drive every day onto an external USB3 portable drive.  With WinPE recovery on a 16GB flash drive, I'm ready for anything! 
 
Each scheduled image takes about 25 minutes, and I can even keep on working while it does it's thing. 
 

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/11 18:20:46 (permalink)
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Was either of those failed SSDs a Samsung?



Yes - but we're talking a few years ago - not a recent model

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/11 18:51:15 (permalink)
There s alot of possible cause for failure ...people think that thers no more mechanical so no problem ...theres physic laws and we re in a physical word , a simple guy puting his laptop too much near his monitoring without shield , have more chance of afaikure , or a guy travelling a lot in those airport crappy securitybchekc ...., hear , humidty , ect ... varaiables are all around , even the computer where it. Is installed , the quality of power ect ....

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/11 19:08:22 (permalink)
I have always used a UPS power backup.  Have had almost no hardware failures in over 15 years, except one portable hard drive, a few GPU's and a few CD-DVD/RW drives.  My motherboards, HDDs, and power supplies have always seemed to outlive their usefulness.
 
So power and heat (plus EMI or solar flares - you need to build a faraday cage for that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage) are probably the biggest threats.  Always use a top quality power supply, good case fans and cooling setup.  I really believe a good UPS keeps the power input cleaner to the PC power supply.  No spikes or surges, etc. should benefit in longer component life.
 
Of course if you buy circuit boards with crappy capacitors, you get what you pay for.  I've replaced boards for friends that have expired due to leaking, bulging, capacitors.  Always buy quality components!

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/14 20:57:43 (permalink)
Yep actually that's a good shout (a UPS) one of mine died after a sudden power outage and when the power came back on tbe drive didn't. I've invested in a surge protector since then but some battery backup would be a better prevention. More of a problem on a desktop than a laptop obviously.

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/14 21:22:17 (permalink)
Yup, laptop has a built-in battery backup ...
 
Heat and vibration, or drops, are probably the laptops biggest challenges.

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/14 23:18:31 (permalink)
+1 for the UPS!
 
Naturally, I can't point to anything as proof but it seems I have had a lot less trouble with my systems since using them. Likewise, with other gear while using a whole home surge suppressor. I have to hope (maybe foolishly) that it has saved something.

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/14 23:43:47 (permalink)
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+1 for the UPS!
 
Naturally, I can't point to anything as proof but it seems I have had a lot less trouble with my systems since using them. Likewise, with other gear while using a whole home surge suppressor. I have to hope (maybe foolishly) that it has saved something.




I worked with an enterprise network support team for years, and it was no coincidence that our major data centers that were protected with whole building UPS rarely had power surge related issues,  while our remote offices had frequent outages, and damaged gear, during summer thunderstorm season...

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/18 04:53:41 (permalink)
I do IT support for a site that deployed a large number of Hybrid drives to the desktop.  They were nice and fast when they were new, but we've been replacing them, because they have got horribly slow with age.  Not sure why this is, but Hybrids aren't aging well at all.
 
As others have said, SSDs can fail suddenly with no warning, so backups are essential.
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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/18 12:08:45 (permalink)
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As others have said, SSDs can fail suddenly with no warning, so backups are essential.




I have Macrium Reflect Free scheduled to image my SSD daily.
 
$50 for a USB3 portable external drive to write the image backups ...  Peace of mind, priceless!!! 

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/24 17:17:18 (permalink)
I guess I jinxed myself. I had a system board go bad last Sunday. Got one shipped out and replaced it. Then, while re-configuring the NIC and resetting the network, the AC adapter for the FIOS router went out.
 
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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/24 17:27:30 (permalink)
All that in spite of a UPS and whole home surge suppressor?  Wow!
 
I know that a sometimes overlooked path for a hit is the phone or cable system wiring. 
 
I have a friend whose motherboard was fried during a nearby lightning strike that came in over his network cabling into his NIC.  In that case, using a WiFi NIC could have saved his bacon!

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Re: SSD drive or hybrid as C drive 2017/08/24 20:18:04 (permalink)
I think it was just a matter of bad luck rather than any external forces. The MB had been flaky for a while and the AC adapter was almost 8 years old. I think if there had been a surge across the cable connection, the gear between the demarc point and the system would likely have been fried too. One good thing is that glass fiber probably doesn't conduct lightning surges like copper (not sure about some type of electrical skin effect). Plus, the service is underground.

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