Sabicas

Honestly I'd never heard of him.  I went to youtube to check him out and he definately had it going on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3Iq0Qs0GAI

http://www.youtube.com/wa...b4&feature=related

I see what you mean about that post being tame.

IntelligentPeople+Forums+Youtube....how did we ever stumble upon brilliance before...

Thanks for the post.  Great to open this up first thing in the morning.

JR

bayoubill


Thanks for that post Mark! Actually that version was very tame compared to what he played that night. To this day I haven't heard anyone come close. He was faster than Paco and more lyrical than Segovia. There were 3 completely different parts going on at the same time. Sabicas was an improviser and loved to jam so to speak. He played 2  two hour sets with a 30 min break. I was literally speechless

I still prefer the early days Egberto Gismonti ... when it was like ... welcome to my living room, and he would play 10/15/20 minutes non stop on the guitars he himself built ... some of the stuff you can find on you tube is ok, but there is not enough of his own solo stuff ... but this is really hard stuff for many people to listen to when the only music they are familiar with is centered around the 3/4's and basic rock/jazz chords ... this is not about notes and chords ... this is something else.
 
Andres Segovia, I saw in Madison, WI ... and one hour into his show he broke a string ... never stopped, never frowned ... just kept on playing ... like nothing happened. When he got done he asked ... "did that sound all right?" At the end of the night it was a very well deserved standing ovation ... and he was not my favorite picker ... in Madrid and Lisbon there are street pickers that would make him look like a kid ...
 
One of my favorite guitarists is a guy that dropped the electric guitar for good 25 years ago and never took it up again ... David Allen (not to be confused with Daevid Allen) put together a gorup with his sister (I think - Angela Allen) called Carmen, and he was classically trained for Spanish guitar ... and he was transposing his licks and fingering to the guitar ... and it was excellent ... and his ability to transition and move along the song is very "european" and very well educated musically, instead of the simpler rock ways ... where transitions are not often musical ... it's just what is done -- and it's all most people know ... most of them have not heard music from the last 400 years to have any idea how transitions were done, or can be done ... which takes a vital element out of a lot of popular/rock music ... and the only difference between "progressive" and the rest ... more often than not ... is just this ... the rest is just a sound effect!

Guitarhacker


wow.... hearing that..... I haven't figured out if it makes me want to spend more time on my acoustic guitar practicing or...... quit.

I don't think that it takes practice to play a different note, at a different time ... so to speak ... but the result is different. And that is the point of seeing and learning how others do it ... and rock musicians are ... in general (in very general) not very good about checking out how Puccini did it ... or how Mahler did it ... or how Vivaldi did it ... and it would make a lot of their music better ... yes, you want to be different ... but if that's all you know, the difference lessens the value of the music in academic terms ... we need rock to get better and learn more music ... not simply call it progressive because they played CMinor60 upside down!
 
But practice ... sometimes the dexterity is needed, if that is your expression ... but if your expression lies in how you feel the vibes in your hands, knees and strings ... you don't need to practice ... you need to live more and play it! The playing will take care of itself as a normal response to your feel ... your finger wants to go here and there and you let it do that ... regardless ... and that is how a Jimi is born ... if you will.